729:- Lucinda, it's pretty obvious that your user id was created by someone who has edited Knowledge (XXG) significantly before under different user-id('s), and that the user-id that you are currently using was created specifically with the intention, so far, of deleting the Gary Renard article. Every one of the 40 or so edits made under your current user-id was made with that and only that intention. Yes, I do want to keep the article, as has been already decided by the previous aFd. Call that an agenda, but as I understand it, attempting to delete an article using multiple user-id's is usually called sock-puppetry. Please stick to one user-id.
710:, and yet his page has been redirected to the main ACIM page. Maybe that's what should happen with this page. And if you know anything about Wayne Dyer, you know he says that about just about everyone who asks for a comment. Since when do author's own promotional blurbs establish notability? Isn't that called "primary source"? You got that Dyer quote straight off of Renard's own Amazon.com page for "Disappearance of the Universe."
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Williamson's book has. If you can find info that this man is notable, please insert it and I will eat my words. But this is a GOOD FAITH nomination on my part. (Please also note that a "notability?" tag has sat atop this page for months now. I'm not the only person to make this observation. Just because you disagree doesn't make my nomination "bad faith.")
492:, but her notability extends beyond ACIM and even into politics. Renard is not at her level. She has appeared on Oprah, Larry King, Good Morning America, and featured in Time and Newsweek. Has Renard? I Googled him, and I see that he appears in venues like "forgiveness.tv", and while it is true he has a twitter and facebook and youtube account … so does everyone. He's just not notable.
239:, but that in itself doesn't qualify as notability, because ACIM has sold around two million copies and many people have written books on it and are dedicated to teaching its principals. Does every ACIM teacher/author deserve a wiki? In my opinion, the only two ACIM figures who truly deserve Wikis are
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It's "bad faith" for you to interpret the motives of an editor. I nominated this article because of what I wrote above: he has no claim to notability. This article was created back when his book "Disappearance of the
Universe" (whose article was recently deleted) had just been published, and the only
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NOT establish his notability, it contains an outright grammatical error in the very lede: "stated purpose is to reawaken interest in and clarify the core principals of the 1976 spiritual text, A Course In
Miracles (ACIM)." So, his aim is to establish who is in charge, who is the "principal" of, the
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had), but merely to #2 on Amazon.com -- purely as a result of a bundling marketing ploy by
Hayhouse wherein people who bought the book through Amazon were given two free books in the Hayhouse catalogue. Marketing schemes don't make authors or books notable, particularly when the sales aren't even
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I find that simply fixing grammatical and spelling errors when I find them is easier than nominating articles for deletion in order to "purify" Knowledge (XXG). Notability is the criterion for inclusion, not opinions. The guy has sold a lot of books and according to the foremost scholar on the
669:. There may be other ACIM persons who don't (yet) have a Knowledge (XXG) article, but that isn't reason to delete this one. If there is trouble with the content or wording, concerns about promotion, Knowledge (XXG) anyone can edit it's a double-edged sword. --
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genre. They all quote each other. They self-publish their own low-budget documentaries all the time. That doesn't make them notable. That means they are one among many in an industry that does that. Being mentioned by
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Marianne Williamson. You can't find them for Renard because they don't exist.
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significance that book had was that it went to #2 on Amazon's sales list, a fact which isn't even mentioned in this article! Mind you, it didn't go to the top of New York Times (as
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