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Genesis 1:1-2:3 or perhaps 2:4. Some verses such as this one, and to a greater extent Isaiah 7:14 and John 1:1 attract a lot of attention and might have some sort of claim to notability, but they are always treated in academic circles as part of some larger whole, except when extremely detailed discussion which lies outside the range of an encyclopaedic article is involved and even then the background is assumed. If detailed analysis overloads the article, given that sub-pages are not allowed, the solution would be a second page Genesis 1:1-2:3 (verse details). By the way,
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The topic of this article is too specific (a single verse in the bible), with no content except for copied translations from different versions of the Bible. This should be covered (if at all) in another article with a broader scope, and so this article is not necessary. I propose it become a
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