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The minimum unit for proper textual analysis and criticism is the paragraph, incident, discourse etc.; in this case Genesis 1:1-2:3 or perhaps 2:4. Some verses such as this one, and to a greater extent Isaiah 7:14 and John 1:1 attract a lot of attention and might have some sort of claim to notability, but they are always treated in academic circles as part of some larger whole, except when extremely detailed discussion which lies outside the range of an encyclopaedic article is involved and even then the background is assumed. If detailed analysis overloads the article, given that sub-pages are not allowed, the solution would be a second page Genesis 1:1-2:3 (verse details). By the way,
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in Genesis 1. Despite StAnselm's efforts to give content which I appreciate, my concern is a matter of principle in that I can see no good reason for having articles on individual Bible verses. If they are notable, it is an inherited notability from their relevance to some wider subject or debate.
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Currently the article has a sentence of introduction and then the text of the verse in several translations. Offering source texts isn't a valid purpose of Knowledge (XXG). It may be possible to write an article on this verse, but until then a redirect will be of more use to people. (I agree that
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The topic of this article is too specific (a single verse in the bible), with no content except for copied translations from different versions of the Bible. This should be covered (if at all) in another article with a broader scope, and so this article is not necessary. I propose it become a
541:: I have made substantial edits and expanded the article twofold. Each of the three aspects of the verse (formless & void, the deep, the spirit) could have a sizeable paragraph written about them. I have made a start, but a lot more could be added. 460:
RfD is for discussing current redirects. This isn't currently a redirect; it's an article, and we're proposing that the article content be deleted to make way for a redirect. AfD is necessary for discussion of that content.   —
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per St.Anselm and prior AfD. The subject of at least three scholarly works. I would argue that having a dozen such verse-articles will do no harm.
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Redirection implies deletion, i.e. "Delete and redirect." There is no reason for a procedural keep here...
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there is a modicum of commentary that could be considered useful if sourced. I would support the same for
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Yes, that's a better redirection target than my proposal. I'd support that instead. Thanks.   —
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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where this verse is discussed in context, rather than just being repeatedly translated. --
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Perry, T Anthony. "A Poetics of Absence : The Structure and Meaning of Genesis 1:2,"
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notable, but this one is. I did a quick search, and here are a few articles I found:
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Deleting and redirecting would be pointless. Keep the edit history. –
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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this shouldn't have been brought to AfD and should have gone to
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but we can still deal with it here if there is consensus.) --
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The nomination is proposing redirection, not deletion.
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Jacobson, Howard. "Origen's version of Genesis 1:2,"
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