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349:, and google search for 'weinbarg hollywood sign berger" turns up 0 hits. Trademark #74229042 was indeed assigned to Wienbarg Enterprises, Inc, but it was a logo for "Hollywood Clothing" with the word Hollywood arranged similar to the famous sign. It is unclear how notable the clothing line was, but the USPTO notes that the trademark was applied for in November, 1991 and abandoned in July, 1993. Most of the sources in the article are vague: "Unknown Author, Ogden Standard Examiner", or just a listing of publications with no specifics (e.g. "Time", "People"). I looked for sources of my own, but Weinbarg is popular enough to muddy the waters, and modifiers such as "buffalo bill" didn't help. Delete for nearly complete failure of 177:(citations are in the article) it was being edited so it can't be either noteworthy or nonnoteworthy. Finally, I was the first (and only, so far as I know) individual to have ever trademarked the Hollywood Sign--that after having sold it and achieved over 500 million advertising impressions-twice! I have a very thick book with my picture in US Magazine, the Washington Post and the Los Angeles times among about a dozon world wide. I just need to work with an editor to get this material submitted. 453:
in any of this, outside of the claims he's made on his own website. There are no substantial links to any known articles and all the articles on the Hollywood sign that I did find (as I said, plenty), don't mention Mr. Wienbarg at all. Searching "Wienbarg Hollywood sign" only turns up Knowledge (XXG) and Mr. Wienbarg's website. And, as per Dhartung, being the relative of someone famous, few that there may be, doesn't grant notability, either.--
399:. First of all, notability is not transitive. Being related to someone famous is not notability. Second, this is the pattern of the entire article -- notability asserted through connection. Worked at a station that won an award. OK, but that does not make you notable. Worked on a special that included celebrities. OK, but same answer. And so forth. Notability for 325:
Hmm - lots of speculation, little fact. It is unclear if being a descendant of Buffalo Bill is notable in and of itself - the author claims there are only 10 living relatives of him, but thats an unsubstantiated fact and its difficult to take out of context without knowing how many descendants there
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I've gone ahead and changed my vote on this. It's clear, through copious evidence, that Hank Berger was, at one time, the owner of the old Hollywood sign. After 25 years of keeping it in storage, he sold it to Dan Bliss, who auctioned it on EBay 2 years later. What is unclear is Mr. Wienbarg's role
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we can attribute these assertions, e.g. "Clothing Magnate Magazine once named Wienbarg Retailer of the Year." We don't have any of that, we just have a person with a reasonably accomplished career in more than one profession who has failed to achieve Knowledge (XXG)-article-deserving notability in
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First, while the editor above seems to think that my relationship to William F. Cody is remote, there are only 10 living relatives of him. And, two, though many movies are non noteworthy, it was mentioned that one 35 mm, full-length dramatic motion picture produced by the Puerto Rican government
334:, let alone that Mr. Wienbarg participated in such events. The events discussed in the same section either involve notable things happening around him (such as the NAB award) or minimal participation in events, some notable and some not. According to 415:. Not all of the other publications are freely searchable, but Google News Archive allows searching the archives of WaPo, the LAT and the WSJ, at least, and there are no stories about the subject. This appears to be a false claim. 470:
on many of the claims in the article. Notability would be weak even if all claims were suported by reliable sources. No supported claim seems to comne clsoe to establishing notability. If additional sources are added, and
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partially using the image of the sign. Since Hollywood Video among others uses similar imagery this is not itself notable. What we need are not just assertions of notability and importance, but assertions from
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If I read the article correctly, he cut it up, sold it, and later trademarked its shape and used that in selling some of the left-over pieces. But perhaps i have not got that quite correct.
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is not asserted. Finally we get to a real claim -- being famous for selling a famous sign. If the coverage is there, there's a shot, so let's look at it.
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Many claims of association with notable people, but I don't see anything that establishes the notability of the subject itself.
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Two totally nonnoteworthy movies, the kinship to Buffalo Bill (though probably a good story at parties ;-) ) is quite remote.
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and they support claims of notability, my view might change again, but I rather doubt thsi will occur. I agree with
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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We can also search the US PTO database, and it turns up a trademark owned by Wienbarg Enterprises for
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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is another false claim, as the trademark is owned by the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce.
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He and clothing designer Viola Park were featured in articles in Time
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There are no indications that it was ever cut up and sold piecemeal
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to confirm that yearling riding was an regular event at the
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Wienbarg registerd a U.S. Tradmark for the famous sign
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295:. I'd be willing to keep if more sources are found.-- 407:... guess what, all of TIME magazine is online now. 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 527:). No further edits should be made to this page. 203:You trademarked the Hollywood Sign and sold it? 326:are, living or dead. I was unable to find any 8: 313:of previous iteration, also autobiography. 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 250:. And to the above user -- please 24: 1: 246:, seems to marginally pass 552: 537:18:43, 7 August 2007 (UTC) 510:20:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC) 490:20:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC) 458:15:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC) 445:06:16, 1 August 2007 (UTC) 390:03:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC) 371:03:27, 1 August 2007 (UTC) 318:03:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC) 300:03:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC) 278:02:54, 1 August 2007 (UTC) 262:02:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC) 235:02:54, 1 August 2007 (UTC) 224:02:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC) 171:01:53, 1 August 2007 (UTC) 146:01:36, 1 August 2007 (UTC) 53:18:43, 7 August 2007 (UTC) 429:independent third parties 520:Please do not modify it. 483:'s comments just above. 32:Please do not modify it. 413:nothing for Viola Park 332:Cheyenne Frontier Days 270:as per TenPoundHammer 196:) 21:03, 31 July 2007 409:Nothing for Wienbarg 309:per nom. Also note 343:(presumably intact) 67:George Jay Wienbarg 59:George Jay Wienbarg 466:. Appears to fail 424:Hollywood Clothing 348: 345:on eBay in 2005. 344: 433:secondary sources 378:Correcting myself 361:for good luck. - 357:, with a dash of 346: 342: 220: 198: 184:comment added by 142: 543: 522: 328:reliable sources 258: 257:Ten Pound Hammer 221: 216: 208: 197: 178: 169: 143: 138: 130: 125:. Vanity page. 108: 90: 34: 551: 550: 546: 545: 544: 542: 541: 540: 539: 531: 525:deletion review 518: 436:any of them. -- 256: 252:sign your posts 215: 206: 179: 154: 137: 128: 81: 65: 62: 44:The result was 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 549: 547: 532: 530: 529: 513: 512: 493: 492: 460: 447: 393: 392: 374: 373: 339:Hollywood Sign 320: 303: 302: 281: 280: 264: 240: 239: 238: 237: 207:Douglasmtaylor 200: 199: 186:Georgewienbarg 129:Douglasmtaylor 115: 114: 61: 56: 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 548: 538: 535: 528: 526: 521: 515: 514: 511: 508: 506: 502: 498: 495: 494: 491: 488: 486: 482: 478: 474: 469: 465: 461: 459: 456: 451: 448: 446: 443: 439: 434: 430: 425: 421: 418: 414: 410: 406: 402: 398: 395: 394: 391: 387: 383: 382:CosmicPenguin 379: 376: 375: 372: 368: 364: 363:CosmicPenguin 360: 356: 352: 340: 336: 333: 329: 324: 321: 319: 316: 312: 308: 305: 304: 301: 298: 294: 291: 288: 287: 283: 282: 279: 276: 274: 271: 269: 265: 263: 259: 253: 249: 245: 242: 241: 236: 233: 231: 227: 226: 225: 222: 219: 212: 210: 209: 202: 201: 195: 191: 187: 183: 175: 174: 173: 172: 167: 164: 161: 157: 152: 148: 147: 144: 141: 134: 132: 131: 124: 120: 112: 106: 102: 98: 94: 89: 85: 80: 76: 72: 68: 64: 63: 60: 57: 55: 54: 51: 47: 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 519: 516: 496: 472: 463: 462:Changing to 449: 428: 416: 404: 400: 396: 377: 337:linked from 322: 315:Robertissimo 306: 289: 285: 284: 267: 266: 243: 217: 205: 180:— Preceding 162: 150: 149: 139: 127: 116: 45: 43: 31: 28: 401:the subject 534:NawlinWiki 50:NawlinWiki 499:See also 286:Weak keep 268:Weak keep 244:Weak keep 481:Dhartung 477:Sethacus 455:Sethacus 438:Dhartung 311:deletion 297:Sethacus 194:contribs 182:unsigned 166:contribs 111:View log 497:Comment 473:checked 450:Comment 431:who as 84:protect 79:history 464:Delete 397:Delete 359:WP:COI 323:Delete 307:Delete 290:Delete 156:jddphd 151:DELETE 123:WP:COI 119:WP:BIO 88:delete 46:Delete 248:WP:RS 105:views 97:watch 93:links 16:< 479:and 468:WP:V 442:Talk 386:Talk 367:Talk 355:WP:N 353:and 351:WP:V 190:talk 160:talk 101:logs 75:talk 71:edit 505:DES 485:DES 273:DES 260:• 230:DES 109:– ( 440:| 411:, 388:) 369:) 254:. 192:• 121:, 103:| 99:| 95:| 91:| 86:| 82:| 77:| 73:| 48:. 384:( 365:( 218:C 213:/ 188:( 168:) 163:· 158:( 140:C 135:/ 113:) 107:) 69:(

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