349:, and google search for 'weinbarg hollywood sign berger" turns up 0 hits. Trademark #74229042 was indeed assigned to Wienbarg Enterprises, Inc, but it was a logo for "Hollywood Clothing" with the word Hollywood arranged similar to the famous sign. It is unclear how notable the clothing line was, but the USPTO notes that the trademark was applied for in November, 1991 and abandoned in July, 1993. Most of the sources in the article are vague: "Unknown Author, Ogden Standard Examiner", or just a listing of publications with no specifics (e.g. "Time", "People"). I looked for sources of my own, but Weinbarg is popular enough to muddy the waters, and modifiers such as "buffalo bill" didn't help. Delete for nearly complete failure of
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Hollywood sign that I did find (as I said, plenty), don't mention Mr. Wienbarg at all. Searching "Wienbarg Hollywood sign" only turns up Knowledge (XXG) and Mr. Wienbarg's website. And, as per Dhartung, being the relative of someone famous, few that there may be, doesn't grant notability, either.--
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I've gone ahead and changed my vote on this. It's clear, through copious evidence, that Hank Berger was, at one time, the owner of the old
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Hollywood Video among others uses similar imagery this is not itself notable. What we need are not just assertions of notability and importance, but assertions from
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