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significant roads. In the interest of a balanced approach, there are roads in Vancouver that have their own articles and are shorter and in some cases newer. Also, I am of the view that many roads should be included because you cant get info some info about them from a map and some people absorb information better from a paragraph than a graphic. For instance Glover's former name is not on any common map, and when I find out who it was named after that may be of interest as well. Some information that cannot be included on road maps can only be posted on wikipedia - for instance plans for development, etc. People need a place to retain information in context (history, current events, relationships). My point is that what seemed superfluous yesterday may be progressive educationally tomorrow. I'd recommend keeping this article and encouraging its development along with other major roads. You really never know what others find useful and informative.
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of just a list in some article. It looks stupid to have a listing of dead links and I am trying to help with this by writing articles to fill these in. I would recommend an article be written for Westside Road next. Again I think you may need to debate why there are links to these roads if any thing at all. If it is decided to delete this article, then "Strathcona Parkway" should also be deleted.
668:. This road is certainly notable as one of the historic trails in the area; however, it may make more sense to bulk up the Highway 10 article, whose notability is unquestionable. I think comparing this road to Route 66 is like comparing Nutella and crap. Knowledge isn't a map, but it is a gazetteer, which describes important roads. - 239:
The reason I wrote this article was to help fill in the "Roads of British Columbia" "Other Provincially Maintained Roads" Link Bar. If you don't like the fact the article has been written maybe you should discuss why there was a link bar created for it and other Provincially maintained roads instead
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attesting to the road's status and significance — most minor unnumbered routes have been deleted if valid sources couldn't be provided, but there are still a lot of lurking redlinks because other highway articles haven't gotten cleaned up to reflect the consensus against the automatic notability of
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As well, I have reviewed the other articles on roads in the BC area: it should be noted that we here in BC are very liberal in writing about our roads - there are numerous entries for major streets in the region that are shorter or less prominent than Glover Road. Glover Road is very important for
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in Fort Langley at one end to the origins of the (separate) City of Langley at the other end. It has been proposed that the article be redirected to Fort Langley and to Highway 10. Given that each only covers a portion, it would be inappropriate to redirect to one of them. While international fame
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I understand what your trying to say and it would fit if I woke up one day and decided to write and article about Glover Road. However, I decided to write the article to fill in the holes so to speak on the major provincially maintained roads list - which by the way does include some regionally
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sourced reason why readers halfway across the country or the world might need or want to be interested in it. And yes, the reality of that is that streets in major, internationally famous metropolitan cities like Vancouver or Toronto or New York City have a much better chance of actually being
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Yes, Thank-you. I think Bearcat is trying to be too idealistic with what he thinks wikipedia should be vs. what it is. As I have said before this is not an immaterial street and it is joined by many other roadways in the Vancouver region which have articles. We are also here to continue to
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notable enough for Knowledge articles than streets in smaller cities like Langley do — because big city streets are much more likely to have good sources that can be cited, and are much more likely to have established some actual fame beyond the city's own borders.
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City streets are not a class of topic about which an encyclopedia should have articles about "all" or even "most" of them — they're a class of topic for which the bar that they have to clear to be considered notable is
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Langley and has historical significance with its former life as a trail. If this article is deleted it would bring other articles into question regarding more minor routes.
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may be helpful demonstration of notability, we should be careful about eliminating historic articles that may have legitimate notability within a sub-region.
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A street isn't notable just because you say so; it's notable only if there are real, substantial sources (books, media coverage, etc.) that can be cited to
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but I don't think that it adds anything to that article and I'm sure there are loads of glover roads in the world so pretty counterproductive in my view.
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such minor routes. And if the only sources you can come up with for the notability of such a route are maps, then that's not good enough — because
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but please note that just because another area may be covered and has an article does not give this article a get out of deletion for free card.
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aggregate information and allow others to contribute and it may end up being even more interesting of a street than we currently know about.
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is not notable just because it's there; it's notable because its zigzagging switchbacks constitute one of the most iconic visual images of
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I think this should be deleted, wikipedia is not a map and it does not show any inherent notability at all. It might be redirected to
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is not notable just because it exists; it's notable because it's one of the world's most famous and most exclusive
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characteristics, then that's not a road that's notable enough for an article. If all you can cite for sourcing is
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extension. (I can't figure that out definitively, though; it isn't listed in the section for unnumbered routes at
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here (inclusion in the existing template, etc.) seems to derive from the fact that it is maintained by the
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is not notable just because it exists; it's notable because rightly or wrongly it was once listed in the
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about the topic. That's not what Knowledge "should be" in an ideal world; it's what Knowledge "is".
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The nomination seems quite incoherent while the topic seems to have an interesting history - see
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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road is going to show up on a map, but that doesn't mean every road merits an article in an
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a claim of notability that should get a road into Knowledge in the absence of
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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significance; it's notable only if you can demonstrate a real, substantial,
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We'll see how comes out but this road doesn't have the same notability like
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Keep. Is cited as a historic crossroads for settlement of City of Langley.
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And my point is that while a map obviously verifies the fact that a road
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high, and for which an encyclopedia should only have articles about an
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its notability. It's not notable just because you make unsourced or
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