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483:. Nominator is mistaken in this generic non-notability claim about articles whose topic is a list published elsewhere. If simply reproducing that list, it would indeed quite likely be a copyvio, and thereby a reason for speedy deletion. But that has no bearing on the issue of notability. There, the criterion is whether the topic of the article has received significant coverage in independent reliable sources.  -- 527:
Second, it is clear as discussed above that there is not any copyvio. In addition, nom's last sentence is simply inapplicable. As to notability, I agree with the two editors above who have !voted keep. I also note (as wp:otherstuffexists permits) that we have thousands of lists of people from
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Finally, I note that at the 2-dozen-odd AfDs that nom made of the same ilk most commentators are expressing keen disagreement with nom's parallel nominations. The AfDs, which are running concurrently with this one, can be found at most of the national poll results reflected
253:, there is obviously no copyvio. None at all. If there were, we would have to delete (and no press could reflect) the results of Academy Award polls, and Gallup Polls, and the like. The relevant Supreme Court case ( 165: 528:
country x (or city y, or college z), which weren't even the results of polls -- just collections that random editors chose -- and this certainly has greater indicia of notability than such lists.
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Clearly not a copyvio , as has been shown above, and equally clearly justified by notability. The supposed policy against such lists is entirely the invention of the nom.
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to nom's use of his close as precedent. He wrote: "No blanket declaration about the inherent notability of such lists was made, or even implied, in my closing statement
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Well, that list obviously needs (more) references to justify notability for every individual who's in there. But yes, i think it's more notable that the
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I note, as well, that this appears to be part of a series of two dozen AfDs by the same nom, of most of the national poll results reflected
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Thanks. I understand that some of us have differing views as to whether it is notable. How, btw, do you find it any less notable than
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They are both lists. Why do you think the indicated one -- chosen only by one or more editors -- more notable than a poll by an RS?--
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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is more definitive than the geographic range of the program's audience alone."
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These lists are very useful for finding very notable biographies.♦
397:, which absence is exactly the point i made in my first comment. 269:; and note that copyvio wasn't even claimed in the failed Afd at 654:
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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It is clear now that this is not copyvio. The problem now is
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list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions
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