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This article was nominated for deletion within a few hours of its creation and, as a new creation by an inexperienced editor, it's obviously a weak stub. In considering the merits of the topic, experienced editors like us are expected to go beyond what's in the stub, reviewing available sources
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claim of notability is as a local councillor. There are a fair number of people who served as local councillors and then went on to also achieve higher, more includable notablity claims — for example, four of the five people in
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the seat, not just run for it, to get a Knowledge (XXG) article on the basis of the election itself. But there's no evidence of preexisting notability here, because serving on a borough council isn't an automatic free pass over
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notable than the norm for that role, not in simply being able to verify that they exist. No prejudice against recreation on or after June 8 if he wins, but nothing here gets him an article today.
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that enough media coverage exists to get him over GNG, ideally by actually adding it to the article but at the very least by showing actual hard results of a search in this discussion.
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either. For both local borough councillors and as yet unelected parliamentary candidates, the path to a valid notability claim lies in being able to
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No, the case here has to be made by those wanting action, who are expected to search for sources and alternatives to deletion per our
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The subject's role as opposition leader seems to have generated adequate biographical coverage for our purposes and so this passes
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which is really about local issues not Stafford as a person/political figure: he is a run-of-the-mill local politician, and per
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using the search links provided above. I have done this and am satisfied that the sources out there mean that the topic passes
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Evidently the IP editors were well informed. Reliable sources now show that he is the Conservative candidate for that seat.--
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he is not notable, having neither a sufficiently important politician nor significant, non-routine press coverage. --
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in an election — if you cannot show and properly source that he already had preexisting notability for other reasons
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borough council per se — the borough council is just an additional detail about a person who has an article because
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exists to keep such articles — all that proves is that until you pointed it out just now, none of Knowledge (XXG)'s
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but first we should dismiss this deletion proposal which naturally has a chilling effect on such work. Per
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which is an extended hierarchy which well demonstrates that such content is acceptable and accepted.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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way to resolve any concerns about whether a topic actually clears GNG or not, it's not the
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notable than borough council alone — except perhaps in the rare occasion that they can be
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claiming that Gregory Stafford is the Conservative candidate for that seat.
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nothing scares potentially valuable contributors away faster than hostility
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these comparisons are important as the encyclopedia should be consistent
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Knowledge (XXG) is not a promotional vehicle for politicians. Fails
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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more notable than the norm for that level of significance.
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whether quality sourcing actually exists or not — but you
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that a GNG-satisfying volume of sourcing exists — again,
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to fix the article yourself — while certainly that's the
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fails WP:NPOL. Local coverage as a local councillor.
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