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with a block. Not a threat, ..." because people will interpret that as a threat especially when you take action on it as you have. Likewise, many other editors also sided to include GunDB, such as D3x0r, me, an unsigned user and now a few independent reviewers that see no problem with it: No1lakersfan and Levlev32. Finally, you accuse me of disruptive editing but all I am trying to do is follow requests including what Michaelmalak himself said: "To re-add, establish notability by either linking to a dedicated Knowledge (XXG) article about the database" (
513:- You again ignore the fact that both HackerNews and Reddit are vetted news sites. Your claim might be relevant if those postings had no upvotes, but they both were significant enough by others (not the author) to land them in the top news. (Unrelated note: You finally let me add ArangoDB back in to the Graph list, which I am thankful for. According to your own requirements though, it has less significant sources and even cites HackerNews. This suggest to me that either those are qualified enough sources, or you are purposefully targeting GunDB.) 256:
admins have rejected your request to ban me, and I have spent a lot of effort to find credible and significant sources that even match your requirements (you have given no reason why they are not other than just stating they are not) - in order to have a civil discussion you have to actually let me present a case. The current consensus count is 4 pro and 4 con in the graph talk thread (I encourage others to read it), so please do not act like you have consensus when you don't - your statements need to be backed by evidence, not opinion alone.
1167:, saying "You really should consider dropping the stick and backing slowly away" is a misappropriate usage of WP:STICK when this page is not even closed yet! I would much rather you continue the discussion and make arguments for why you are correct rather than simply stating "I believe" 3 times in the previous paragraph - we obviously have different opinions, and I would love to hear why you believe what you do. Thanks! (Edit: format/numbering) 960:), evidence shows that an anonymous IP started the revert war of deleting that you then continued when other members of the community (like D3x0r) tried to restore the list to its original long standing consensus. Also given that Cayley and ArangoDB have been added back in, it looks like the original long standing consensus was correct and disagrees with your deletionist (like you are trying to do to this GunDB page entry) agendas. 1366:
links)? Why is it that you're trying to weasel out of your last salvo of incorrect allegations and your misattributing of actions to me. Why is it that you maintain your allegation that the nominator of this AfD (me) had previously nominated *3* articles and the "deletion was overruled" (which doesn't apply to PRODs) and don't apologise and withdraw your remark but rather try to adopt a position that you are correct all along?
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not entitled to "I don't actually believe that you really thought". I am glad you posted your full remarks because it lets me point out more of the pieces that personally offended me (note: it might not others). When you say "That isn't how we do things here" that is a very ostracizing/excluding/otherizing comment when I know for fact that Knowledge (XXG) founded on the idea (
501:- GitHub is peer review, and you have avoided replying to this countless times, and you have provided no citation, policy, or evidence against this. Claiming that GitHub's rating system is "user generated" is false because GitHub stars are not self report, they are peer vetted. You still need to address the fact that GunDB, Cayley, and ArangoDB are almost as popular as Neo4j. 880: 701:. You continued to insert your product details into the article despite the effores of three of four other editors (including me) to remove it and discuss at the Talk page. If there is a dispute, it gets settled on the Talk page and only then does an article reflect the decision reached. The consensus on the Talk page was to remove GunDB as it was 911:- Third question: If the editorial staff and credentialed members who run site do not think the voting algorithm is generating good results onto their homepage, is it or is it not in their best interest to modify the algorithm to prevent abuse or gamification? (If you are curious how they deal with this, check out 1374:
and understand that the references you provided *all* fail and therefore your product has *zero* coverage that we can rely on to establish notability? Why is it that you fail to address the abject failure of the sources you have put forward as reliable sources? Why is it that you fail to address any
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5. Angel.co is not an investor, it is an independent secondary source that allows people to verify a company's claims of investment because it requires the approval of Billionaires like Tim Draper and Marc Benioff of Salesforce. Of course they are biased, but that is not what is being discussed here,
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Maybe we are from different cultures, but if you do not want people thinking you are threatening to ban (correction: block, thank you for clarifying that, I am wrong on saying ban then) them don't say things like (in the link you posted) "...this will not end well for you and you will probably end up
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article! So this has already been taken care of (and thus not a reason for deletion as a whole). was originally used in the Graph Talk discussion to comply with admin EdJohnston's and editor Michaelmalak's list inclusion requirements of "preferably an article that either interviews actual users of
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where it states "..on reasonable, logical, policy-based arguments." and "Reasonable editors will often disagree, but valid arguments will be given more weight than unsupported statements. When an editor offers arguments or evidence that do not explain how the article meets/violates policy, they may
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3. Why is it that after all this discussion here and on other pages, you still maintain that you have provided "significant" coverage? Why is it that you have such difficulty in reading the analysis of your sources (above) and accepting that they fail for the reasons specificied? Why is it that you
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10. This is very much off subject, but I am fine with discussing it - so apologies to others that the following remarks are going to be written in a very personal and emotional tone rather than what I try my best (and probably fail often) as being a logical one. Yes, I was offended, and no, you are
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I don't actually believe that you really thought this was a threat to have you banned/blocked and I believe you have chosen to portay my comment in this way to cast me in a bad light. This is more of a reflection on you than me. You've proclaimed that you were threatened in 4 or 5 difference places
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and how you'd failed to produce a single source in order to include your produce in a List - which is a much lower bar than having its own article, I don't think there are any grounds for criticising this AfD. On the other hand I believe your attempted creation of this article can be criticised on
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6. I've been advocating for Cayley, GunDB, and ArangoDB not just GunDB, so please don't claim I'm COI when all Cayley, GunDB, and ArangoDB had long standing consensus since 2015 (links of proof of this are listed in (12) above) and I/others have gotten all except GunDB to be restored on the Graph
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codenewbie .. OK - I stand corrected - it is an interview of Mark Nadal and not a poscast by Mark Nadal. As a source, codenewbie would not be regarded as being a reliable source since it is a "community" grown out of a weekly TwitterChat. Leaving that aside - content produced by Mark Nadal is not
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An independent reviewer, No1lakersfan, has already approved of this page. At this point in the discussion having independent third party reviewers is important, because you have unilaterally dismissed this entire page because of your deletionist agenda on the graph page - so much to the point you
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OK, you asked for a point-by-point response, which I provide. You then fail to respond with any argument based on policy or address any points I've raised - and then revert the article anyway. That isn't how we do things here. I'm going to request that the article is protected from editing by IP
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Why are UCLA, Forbes, WSJ, AllThingsD, hackernews, angel.co, BoostVC, reddit, and others not independent sources? Many of those sources are used elsewhere in Knowledge (XXG) to establish significance. Could you please justify and back your claims rather than personally attacking me? Two separate
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1. Why is it that you have such difficulty in paying attention to what is said and discussed? Why is it that you have such difficulty in reading simple sentences? Why is it that you always ask open-ended questions rather than answering specific points using specific policies and guidelines (and
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To conclude, while you are correct that adding stories is user generated, the ranking system is not. And on community news sites that are as popular as HackerNews and Reddit, achieving a high upvote is a sign that the algorithm authored by the editorial staff views it as being notable (which is
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4. You are correct that NPM is not an established outlet like UCLA/WSJ/Forbes/AllThingsD. NPM is an independent secondary source to verify download counts and the popularity of GunDB. It is much better to cite a source than for the Knowledge (XXG) article to just state "GunDB has X downloads",
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I don't give a hoot about Mark Nadal although I do think he has lovely hair in his photographs. You say that authors can be considered sources and this is true - but with a qualification. You need to read the rest of that guidelines where you'll find that the qualification for authors is
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2. The author of GunDB does not work for UCLA, WSJ, Forbes, AllThingsD - these are not self published. He is not being quoted as an expert, instead there has been significant media coverages of him as a founder and his work, published by multiple independent and reliable sources.
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Tmobii, at this stage it appears to me that you are deliberately misquoting me or attributing actions to me that have nothing to do with me. Is there a reason why? This is the 4th/5th/6th/? time you've done this. I have not nominated any of those articles for deletion. I
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in December 2015 - a year ago) and is irrelevant unless (s)he decides to get involved now. This isn't a contest to count !votes. Arguments must be based on policies and guidelines and the closing admin will use that criteria to decide. Finally - disruptive editing - read
1016:) have covered the events relating to the article, this is not a reason for deleting the article as a whole. As far as the Forbes article itself, the author has been published in "Fast Company, The New York Observer, The Next Web and VentureBeat" which may be okay since 1301:(and be aware that lots of articles are deleted if they only have one reference since a single source does not qualify as "significant coverage" - but it doesn't seem to get enforced all the time). If you check those articles you will probably find at least one source. 1427:
1. It would be nice if you did not attack me though, saying that I am "weaseling" or "have such difficulty" or am "incomprehensible" (or at least, why and where am I being incomprehensible?) are personal claims against my character and intelligence that goes against
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3. Other editors disagree with you on this. A neutral third party editor answered the RfC saying that GitHub's rating system is 'yes ish' qualified "Yes, GitHub is suitable source for the purposes of indications on what is "notable" enough to go into the list."
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for this product to have gained multiple independent RS. Given the semi-biographical nature of the article irrelevant to the software, I think it likely that there are COI issues as well. But the main problem is lack of notability of the database according to
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and so unacceptable. (Aside:- I didn't "allow" you to add ArangoDB back in. I edited that ArangoDB article to add in a reference to a book (see! ... a reliable source that was independent of the subject!) and that (in my opinion) was enough to denote
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does state "multiple independent sources should be cited to establish notability" which has been done already (granted by the fact that your arguments are addressing multiple sources). If you could expand on your argument here, I think it would be
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Some final notes, it isn't the number of people that "side" with you that counts but policy first, then consensus. I see no contributions from No1lakersfan - please provide links/diffs. Levlev32 has made 3 edits (one of which was to add GunDB to
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states that it is policy "Policy: Unless restricted by another policy, primary sources that have been reputably published may be used in Knowledge (XXG), but only with care". So I think there is still a good argument that this citation ought be
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addresses and revert the article once more. I predict that if you want to edit-war rather than discuss, this will not end well for you and you will probably end up with a block. Not a threat, just reciting what I've learned through experience.
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9. You seem offended by my question if we are from different cultures, I am sorry about that (it is not something I would have thought is offensive, so please accept my apology). I'm from the USA, and it looks like you are from Ireland?
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2. Sources provided (to refute your claim that I did not provide a single source): UCLA, WSJ, Forbes, AllThingsD, The Kauffman Foundation, HighScalability, GitHub, Angel.co, HackerNews, BoostVC, Reddit, NPM, a page to their tradeoffs
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that have significant coverage, and dealing with an already presumed subject (which I expanded on in this section, about the already established precedence - which you have not replied to or denied), winds up being counteractive to
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and other collablratively created websites. GitHub falls into this category. The exceptions are where the content is authored by, and is credited to, credentialed members of the site's editorial staff. GitHub does not fall into the
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2. Why is it that you think you have the right to continue to disrupt these pages with incomprehensible arguments that have no bearing on policy and guidelines? Why is it that you fail, over and over and over, to read
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11. Could you quote policy on why other editors' historical contributions do not count? Not everybody has unlimited time (like it seems I do) to engage, but that should not be held against them unless there is policy.
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You appear to be making a habit of plucking parts of sentences out of context and wrapping them in one possible interpretation to bolster the position you adopt. For the benefit of others, the entire comment reads as
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separate from Knowledge (XXG)'s rules for notability). But that does not dismiss the fact that those user-generated additions of news stories were notable on those platforms, they are, and so was GunDB's.
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Thank you for your thorough reply! I am going to reset the indention level because it is getting hard for me to read anything on my laptop's screen because all the text is squished in such a narrow column:
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exists because numerous other databases are included on Knowledge (XXG) (see the comparison section) which survived deletion proposals. Others have replied to this argument but offered no rebuttal.
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3. I have advocated for Cayley, GunDB, and ArangoDB, all of which had long standing consensus since 2015 before you and others started deleting them (see point 12 above for links/evidence of this).
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Could you clarify what you are talking about? When I go to their website I don't see anything about that? When I follow links through to their investor profile it says "San Mateo" which goes to
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and you don't grasp what is required to denote notability. If you are trying to claim that your product is the same as Kafka or PoGo then I'll repear - you obviously have not read or understood
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The nominator has very patiently and thoroughly made the case that there are insufficient reliable sources -- that is to say, source which are not user-generated. And I remind everyone that a
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1. What is the difference between "proposed for deletion" (what I claimed you did in the previous paragraph) and "Proposing article for deletion" (what you said you did in this edit summary:
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are largely not acceptable. Can you provide a reference that shows Mark Nadal is a recognised expert in this field whose work has been published by a reliable third-party publication?
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Self-published material may sometimes be acceptable when its author is an established expert whose work in the relevant field has been published by reliable third-party publications.
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but you just keep repeating the same sources and the same arguments over and over without adding anything new and without referring to policies. Creating this article is a sign of
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was when you continued to insert your product without engaging in discussion. Many editors including me have repeatedly pointed out why your sources fail as they do not qualify as
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1. I already said it was a guideline. Your response seems like I said it was a policy? As far as whether you are the nominator for this page's deletion, that is easy to check (
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at you, that does not mean I suddenly have a super power to judge you about how short sighted what you say is. Next time, please try to provide reasons why and not just quote.
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is a guideline and not a policy, so it doesn't *have* to be followed. Nevertheless, I believe in this circumstance and given the discussions that had already taken place at
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http://myrighttocode.org/blog/artificial%20intelligence/particle%20swarm/genetic%20algorithm/collective%20knowledge/machine%20learning/gun-db-artificial-knowledge-sharing
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8. Please see my policy comment in (1). You claim "obvious to the rest of us" but do not cite anybody else - if other people agree with you, they can comment themselves.
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And here we go again....incorrectly attributing actions to me. You've done it so many times that I believe you're doing it on purpose so please stop. First of all,
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Adding to the mystery around this company and its tireless advocate on this page is that the company's website and email seem to indicate it's located in the
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it is about verifying that they are investors. If somebody were to claim "Bill Gates gave me a million dollars" you would want them to back that up right?
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This argument is acceptable and backed by an explanation. If you would like to discard "Forbes" that seems reasonable, but given that multiple sources (
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1. Your point about is good, and I believe you are correct that it is not from an established source. Note however is not cited as a source in the
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UCLA/WSJ/AllThingsD are not user-generated. Further, notability requirements (Significant, Reliable, Multiple Sources, Independent, and Presumed, at
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6. Which is better, for the article to just claim that the author said those things, or reference the actual podcast where he said those things?
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HighKing, thank you for going through the sources mostly 1 by 1 - that is the exact sort of discussion I was looking to have! Cheers to you.
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requirements of being "Presumed". If you could explain why these are invalid comparisons, that would help contribute to the discussion per
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3. For the sake of being able to defend any claim, could you please go into more detail on your "I agree that all had problems" such that
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1. Yes, I see your point, 1 you did and 2 you did not - you are correct, I apologize (I just checked the other histories). According to
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Do not let this stop you from trying to make your points though, they ought be heard. Cheers to open discussion and debate for all!
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Thanks so much for jumping in! Looking forward to your response, thanks for being respectful and bringing up good/valid arguments.
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Nope, I point you to the policies and guidelines and encourage you to read them. For example, in your response you've pointed to
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haven't found other sources that don't fail if this topic is not notable? Why is it that others can't find any sources either?
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Thank you for your respectful and policy based input! I really appreciate it, and here are some rebuttals to your points:
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NPM does not qualify since the criteria is "notability" and not "number of times it has been downloaded". Refer to
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requirement has been given elsewhere, particularly (1) previously. Would love to hear your response against these.
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and not neutral (assuming they want their investment to succeed ... with investors sometimes you can never tell!).
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https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Graph_database#Why_can.27t_I_add_an_entry_for_a_new_Graph_Database_into_the_list.3F
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Please compare against the other Open Source graph database pages that have been accepted for Knowledge (XXG):
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page with long standing consensus since 2015 (see point 12 above). I was told to create an article so I found
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UC Davis - StackOverflow and GitHub: Associations Between Software Development and Crowdsourced Knowledge
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claim I have provided no new sources even though you responded to them! Neutral perspectives are needed.
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which this user is trying to get recognition of GunDB as a source of notability for open source products
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be subject to any editorial review. It may well be challenged as a reliable source on that basis, per
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7. Simple question: Is it true or false that GunDB was launched on HackerNews and was on the homepage?
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Odd, well, the .io suffix used on the corporate website and corporate email corresponds, I'm told, to
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I would love to carry the discussion forward there. Cheers to you and looking forward to the debate!
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of the policy/guideline arguments put forward and instead change tack and try a different argument?
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of California. I'm not sure why this is relevant as a reason for why the page should be deleted?
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12. Given that Cayley, GunDB, and ArangoDB had consensus on the Graph list since 2015 (see edits
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Thank you for bringing up these points! Would love to hear your response to the above analysis.
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Ah, that makes sense, thanks for clarifying. Yeah, `.io` is popular in the tech startup world:
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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and created this page in response to failing to gain concensus for including his product at
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You keep referring to GitHub as being peer-reviewed and therfore acceptable. Again
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4. Could you explain how the fund raising from many notable sources, including
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could be done that satisfied the other database's significance but wasn't here?
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significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject
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and given the article's emphasis on the founders and company marketing it,
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especially since downloads change all the time. For this, NPM is reliable.
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content from websites are generally unacceptable. It uses the example of
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including the Talk pages of at least two admins. That kind of behaviour
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only need a reminder to engage in constructive, on-topic discussion."
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Wonderful points, here are some responses that address your points:
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As always, waiting to hear your input and thankful for your time!
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https://medium.com/a-weekend-with/a-weekend-with-gun-a61fdcb8cc5d
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can be promoted, and this does not turn into a "I agree" poll (
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does not have weight here (especially since it is not policy).
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reliable, independent, verifiable multiple secondary sources
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