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Katrina and may well reassert itself with hurricane Ike. The primary issue here is the mishandling of unpowered vessels during a storm. I have associates who owns ocean going vessels and the common practice is to run the vessels in a protected inlets during storms like this with the help of tackle, etc. A point here is why did the fed deliver two ships to SSMC two weeks before the peak hurricane season but at the same time restrict the ability for the ships to be moved? The key word used in the media is the 'Situation' in the Industrial Canal and by now this is well referenced. By Wiki standards it is encyclopedic enough, there are a million or so pages in wikipedia that do not even come close to that standard so don't give me this BS. The current named page is not in an appropriate format and needs to be renamed. This is a superficial issue.
351:"You've got a lot of scour here associated with water flow," he said. "Another 30 yards and it could have been eroding right here at the federal floodwall. "We know there are concerns here," Cephus said as emergency crews, towboats, the Coast Guard, city officials and the scrap yard owners tried to untangle the mess of ships, repair the damage and assess blame. Chris Bonura, a Port of New Orleans spokesman, said work to shore up port-provided flood protection at the Almonaster bridge has not moved along very quickly. On the canal, the port has its own floodwalls, but they are much smaller and meant to protect harbor business.
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page to the talk page as two posters really messed up the page. As far as incidences are concerned the page may qualify. If the unneccesary section heads and state the conflicts of information are properly structure. Maybe rename the page to "New
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Nagin: Surprise is a mild way to put it. I am absolutely incensed about that. It wasn’t just barges. There were two 400-feet Navy ships that were scheduled to be scrapped in the doggone Canal. They were floating around up until 9 o’clock last night. They finally secured them. We must get the Coast
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Brewer said that before the storm, the Coast Guard sent out several notices to mariners, instructing them on the proper way to moor ships during a storm. These precautions included taking steps to double mooring lines, as well as rigging an anchor close to the vessel, he said. An investigation will
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Covered under Gustav - This assumes no further political development will occur. Who is going to pay for damages to the pump housing and natural gas pipelines. Right now the company claims that the ship was a specific cruiser of the USCGC vintige, they claim that this is not true. There could be
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