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249:. Arguments against this deletion often stated that "the consensus was that academy teams/leagues are notable." Per policy: "If the individual organization has received no or very little notice from independent sources, then it is not notable simply because other individual organizations of its type are commonly notable or merely because it exists" Practically all sources given for this academy team are local in nature, not regional nor national. 631:
trivial mention". The cites and articles you have added and/or mentioned, for the most part, do not address the academy as a direct, detailed source and only mention the academy in passing. As for my usage of the words "academy", "league", and/or "team", it seems you are getting caught up in the semantics of the terms. I appreciate your passion and defense of the topic even though we see the GNG on this subject from differing viewpoints. -
445: 583:, again, almost all the cites you have added and the others mentioned in the search results are about players who have been affiliated with the league. And as proven earlier, these articles basically just mention the club, not anything about its notability, and the notability of the players is not inherited to the club as per 564:
Who are you responding to? And for the ESPN, Washington Post, and Soccer America articles, the DC United Academy is the principal subject of the article. I don't know how you missed that. The article now has 14 references, 11 of which are from independent reliable sources; but the cites currently in
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requires multiple sources with significant coverage, but the signficant coverage aspect states that the topic "does not need to be the main topic of the source material". Here, we have an article with more than 10 independent reliable sources; with several of these sources the DC United Academy is
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We can agree to disagree on this subject. Your quote about the significant coverage aspect is correct, but the same area also states "Significant coverage addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a
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Resubmitting this article for deletion discussion. My first suggestion that this league was a youth league was proven wrong, fair enough, it's an academy league. But I honestly do not believe that a 4th tier, amateur-level US soccer/football academy league meets
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I'm perfectly willing to believe that this academy might not be notable, but the fact that the nominator refers to it repeatedly as a league, when it is clearly not a league, doesn't inspire confidence in the nomination statement.
498:— I did a quick search and sound several reliable sources, and I've added just a few (Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Washington Post, Orlando Sentinel, Soccer America) of the several that I found. This article pretty clearly satisfies 587:. Your argument continues to prove my points. So far, out of all the cites you have listed/added, only three so far are about the club itself. And adding cites from the club's website does not prove notability either. - 542:, the sources you mention simply either mention the existence of the club, or, in two of your cites added, the fact that a particular person was once a member. Just because the club exists does not make it notable, see 194: 93: 789:, because the academy does not actually have a team in USPDL (the article info on this is incorrect). Also, the article is about the entire academy, which is now mostly amateur-level. - 320: 727:
I'm going to avoid the obvious "assume" joke here, but can you actually cite this in policy? As per the comment below, some people do not consider PDL to be a upper-level league. -
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requirements, so my following points will discuss those aspects.", no they don't, have a look at sentence 2, paragraph 2 of the lead of
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Then why is the nomination full of discussion about the league then?!? Honestly .... though given the articles appears to meet
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There is an assumption that clubs or players playing at a certain level meet GNG - hence why comment it needs improving.
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Also, you may want to make sure you have a good grasp of the facts here. The article we are talking about relates to an
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as you have again referred to it. And, contrary to your claim, I have not added any cites from the club's website.
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they are substantially discussed by reliable independent sources that extend beyond the chapter's local area."
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the article only scratch the surface, as a google search for "DC United Academy" shows over 15,000 results.
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specifically states that it does not apply to sports teams, so your excerpt from the lead is inaccurate. -
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
826: 621: 570: 529: 507: 486: 470: 420: 396: 271: 246: 877: 852: 816: 804: 774: 438: 769:- we've always considered USPDL teams notable. Not sure why this would be any different. 677:- plays in PDL, top level amateur league in US/Canada - needs improving, not deleting. 661: 539: 521: 478: 844: 830: 808: 790: 728: 696: 632: 601: 588: 551: 543: 518: 499: 481:. I'm assuming the nominator already notified them, but just to be on the safe side. 424: 287: 286:
of this content to its respective parent club page. But on its own, this page fails.
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the main topic of the source. This more than satisfies the requirements of WP:GNG.
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Notifying others who participated in the previous AfD for this article:
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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requirements, so my following points will discuss those aspects.
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Now, I can agree with the opinion and would even support a
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standards on its own. Here are my arguments against this:
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