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395:"virgil in the basket", i did the commonscat for it & i have one of the illustrations, irl. the identity of the "femme fatale" varies btwn "febilla", "the emperor's daughter", & "nero's daughter", sometimes named as domnina, sometimes unnamed. his actual daughter hasn't turned up in any version i've come across, & oddly enough nero & his "daughter" are more popular in this tale than augustus & julia, even though that would at least be 343:
redirects to the story of the Samaritan Woman at the Well in John 4. Giving her a name is a late antique invention; so probably is Domnina. Nevertheless, the story exists, even if it is a late antique pious fiction. We should thus not be deleting the subject out of hand. I am also unhappy about
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I am open to persuasion if this person is mentioned in more than one obscure legend, but this needs to be clarified, the referencing should be improved. Maybe we could merge it, but what into? I am interested in ensuring Christian converts from paganism are properly dealt with, see my edit to
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i did suggest the {prod/delete}-er try to find a suitable merge, if they felt that strongly about it, but they don't seem to be interested... (or they could otherwise re-work the material; perhaps into a renamed article with a different focus)
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or connects the story to the legend of Saint Photina? Without one, we simply have two legends referring to a "daughter of Nero", with no indication that they are supposed to be the same person. (By the way, if such a citation is provided, then
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in terms of the timing. i suppose that's because he's such a great villain & fits better into the timeline of christianity (augustus having been mentioned @ jesus' birth).
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to provide some coverage of the subject here; simply "disappearing" it is not an acceptable solution.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Add a short section to the article on the Samaritan Woman, referring to the later traditions.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Redirect this article to it, unless there is another independent tradition about Domnina.
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mixing biblical truth with later amplifications (fiction). I would accordingly suggest:
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If WP was being prepared in (say) AD 400, we would have referred to this as
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it is also useful to have the article for disambig purposes see:
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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which explicitly either uses the name Domnina for the
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Could you please provide a citation for a version of
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Log/2013 November 23
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This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (
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