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CSI & FBI uses. Hardly psuedo-science. His company is one of the few that uses an ISO certified lab- the highest standard in the industry. And -notable- he & DNA Tribes were one of the first to come out with such a DNA test though he is hardly alone. His company IS the only one that has done a scientific study on
Melungeons having Melungeon populations in its database. However, he is not the only person to note that some people from the Appalachians have a mixed but predominately Mid-Eastern ancestry or noted that these people often are afflicted with Mid-Eastern diseases. I have friends with this ancestry that have familial Mediterranean fever. It is a shame to suggest this article be deleted, but think it best to put it elsewhere and consider the source- Knowledge (XXG). Allowing this type of behavior is the reason I do not allow my students to use Knowledge (XXG) for research.
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who has a reputable, scientific company and has had a successful business for a decade. I am really unclear as to how you can justifiably attack...and it is an attack...this man. He did not have any information about the bat creek stone on his page. That was added by someone & he deleted it. Almost every single word has been changed and much for no apparent reason. ( You require proof that he has a PHd from Duke? This was changed to "he went to college.")What background do any of you have? That is unknown & with the requirements to edit for
Knowledge (XXG)...unimpressive. Many a scientific theory has been ridiculed & that is fine. It is one thing to say, " I disagree with someone's theory." It is altogether another to call someone names. Zoey7
508:- I worked on it recently, and went to considerable effort to bring it line with standard bios and try to find some RS to support its statements. I found little to support his self-proclaimed notability, but documented with full citations what I did find. He appeared in a documentary making statements about a fraudulent artifact, and has written books and articles. It is valid to include what scholars have said about his work. Agree with deletion; he is not notable.
303:, obviously it could not be done. Just because it lasted here for 2 years under the radar does not mean the situation it was in should be allowed to continue. I've looked at older version of this article not just the most recent one, none of the previous sourcing established the notability of the subject. If you want the article kept, find sources that pass
895:- I don't understand what is going on here. This has been stubbed out beyond recognition. I think there is probably a decent case to be made for notability as a leading genetic genealogist, but this article has been blown to smithereens in some sort of deeply personal edit war and this debate stinks of stale socks...
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Scottsdale, although he denies it which puzzles me. The pseudo-science is, for instance, claims made on the basis of claimed cultural similarities between the Cherokee and Phoenicians, Ancient Egyptians, whatever. I don't think it is disputed that he thinks the
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REQUEST TO DELETE Zoey7 Most puzzling that you do not think a person knows where they live and work. The company is in
Phoenix not Scottsdale. That is not hidden as it is on the website. Have you never heard of people moving? It is an attack and potentially libelous to call someone a psuedo-scientist
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This seems to be a cyber-bullying witch hunt. This is a respected man with a PHd from Duke
University with a respected business that has been around for a decade. Psuedo-science? This is second-generation, Autosomal DNA testing which is the latest science for DNA ancestry testing- similar to what the
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REQUEST TO DELETE - RE ABOVE: Whose IP sock are you? This is Zoey7. I know Dr. Yates. Yes, I could get you reliable evidence of all of the above information as could he. However, that seems a rather pointless exercise since his desire is to have the article deleted and published elsewhere where he
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REQUEST TO DELETE - Malicious editing should not be tolerated. The good man's company did my DNA tests, he is well revered in many circles and it is a travesty to simply delete this article but perhaps best due to the continuing unfounded degredations. What was it
Einstein stated about those who
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I beg to differ but this article was vandalized once and restored. It has now been subject to another unwarranted attack, every word of which is either inaccurate or inappropriate. I will refrain from examples since I do not wish to repeat potentially libelous material, but if you would like me to
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I am the author and agree: Delete, though not for the same reason necessarily. It started out as something notable in a rare category or overlap of categories (Elvis, DNA, ethnicity, writers) but became a target for vandalism and controversy. Delete, please. Knowledge (XXG) is best served by
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Most of the information above, maybe all, is correct (although I'll note that we won't use DNA Tribes as a reliable source). So was the information added to the article about what his book says, the fact that he has self-published a number of publications, etc. And, if we can believe the DNA
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It appears that the figure seems to be a significant source of pseudoscience which influenced a wider phenomenon of assertions by
Appalachian Americans that they are of Native American descent. I would like more time to investigate and source this. Not long at all. Three days?
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cite examples I will. I was made aware that that was not wanted. Where were the protectors of all the other hundreds of thousands of articles on Living
Persons when the systematic damage was inflicted on this article by two editors over the past four days?
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