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518:- Politicians are the one category of biographies to whom GNG is generally not applied; instead a Special Notability high bar is frequently used, giving automatic passes to elected members of national and provincial assemblies, tending to give easy passes to national and provincial party leaders, and dealing with unelected politicians harshly on a case by case basis. Elected members of city councils are a grey area, with those of major metropolitan areas almost always kept while those of tiny towns usually treated as self-serving promotion. And so here we have a bio that is in the grey area of the grey area, an elected city council member from a mid-sized city. My opinion is that we should keep this one and here's why: it's a well done piece, it's a well sourced piece, and Knowledge (XXG) is better off with the piece than without it. Ignore All Rules, Use Common Sense. 448:
City councillors anywhere outside of major, internationally famous metropolitan cities are almost never a topic of even the slightest interest to anyone outside of the councillor's own city — and because of that, are very nearly impossible to adequately monitor for
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run in an election that took place three years ago. (That candidacy doesn't get him over the POLITICIAN bar either, as he didn't win the seat and people don't qualify for articles on Knowledge (XXG) just for being candidates.)
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at AFD all at once, when necessary, instead of just nominating one isolated case and not noticing 15 other AFD candidates at all, as might happen elsewhere — but trust me, these exist everywhere and not just in Ontario.)
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violations (e.g. "Mr. Braden is a problem solver who applies innovative thinking to many of the challenges facing all Canadians"), and is edited so rarely that it still asserts that he
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volume of such articles being attempted than California or Texas or Connecticut or Yorkshire or Leicestershire do. (There might be a slight difference in how much you're
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No, we're not even remotely close to that. People trying to create articles on city councillors who don't pass our notability rules as written are a problem that exists
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This is not "Ontariopedia" and we do not need articles on every city councilor in the province. It almost feels like we have such.
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enough to make him more notable than most other city councillors. For an extra bonus, the article contains several unverifiable
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the city limits of their own home cities (e.g. by emerging as a nationally recognized spokesperson on a political issue).
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qualifies for an article if you can make a credible case that they're a topic of much broader than usual interest to a
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Mr. Braden is a problem solver who applies innovative thinking to many of the challenges facing all Canadians.
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just for being city councillors. In addition, while the article does cite sources, nearly all of them are
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of them, since as a resident of Ontario who actively works with categories I frequently throw a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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biographies of city councillors where editors with an agenda have inserted unsourced and
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of a city councillor in a city not large enough for its city councillors to pass
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Wikipedians to actually notice that it was there. That fact is just one of the
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reasons why the standard has long been that a municipal councillor normally
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large cities are accorded notability. Hamilton does not count as such. --
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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sources. Which makes it a "well-sourced" piece how, exactly?
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list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions
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