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of review of his books but only by his own newspaper or its sister titles. His ghits are due to the fact that he is a columnist so his name appears at the end of his writing about other notable things. There is a reference saying he has appeared on TV as a panelist but we don't know if this was more than once. I took the time to look through the TV archives at RTE player and I haven't found him once. He had a weekly opinion column for a newspaper that is no longer printed.
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