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per Djflem. The subject is notable because it is not a 1E article about his congressional campaign but rather focuses more on his environmental activism. Also, articles should only be deleted if they're beyond any hope of improvement; this is very far from the case here. The delete !voters have very
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Bringing this to AFD a third time. The article was previously deleted in
December, promptly recreated and brought to AfD again two months ago. The last AfD resulted in "no consensus". The arguments for keep in the last AfD were based on his coverage as a congressional candidate. He has since dropped
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Lebanonman19, and as seen in the article, there are plenty of reliable and verifiable sources with in-depth coverage about him to meet the general notability criteria. Kudos on the expanded article with ample sourcing; any claimed issues re promotional content are
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less GNG-passing than they really are, and (b) before NPOL existed, people used to try to list even well-sourced federal legislators (sitting
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I am not finding much of a case that he is notable removed from the context of a candidacy. Once again, the sources provided here to try to convince us otherwise are not actually instances of significant coverage, but rather namechecks, passing mentions, or sources that do not count toward
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show that he has been a player in New Jersey environment-related politics for decades. This combines with coverage of his life and career during his recent run for a nomination for a congressional seat (he withdrew before the primary,) to enable the article to meet
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him, none of which help to get him over GNG for that work in lieu of not passing NPOL — and the campaign coverage itself is not enough, in either volume or geographic range, to make his candidacy a special case over and above everybody else's candidacy.
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and he does not otherwise meet notability requirement for his activism since it was barely covered before his congressional run. All the sources that are actually about him were published during his brief run for congress.
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