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515:- He clearly fails WP:politician, and the most "well-cited" part of this page is about his political activity. In fact 90% of this page is about his failed political campaign. Since he already fails politician I'm treating those 2 sections as against our rules... I can't see the page standing on what's left. 685:
The article was initially nominated for deletion in December because, while his activism was robust, his campaign was new and had limited coverage. Since then he's seen a lot of independent coverage, including in Politico, The Observer, and many NJ papers. That combined with his large public record
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per Djflem. The subject is notable because it is not a 1E article about his congressional campaign but rather focuses more on his environmental activism. Also, articles should only be deleted if they're beyond any hope of improvement; this is very far from the case here. The delete !voters have very
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Bringing this to AFD a third time. The article was previously deleted in December, promptly recreated and brought to AfD again two months ago. The last AfD resulted in "no consensus". The arguments for keep in the last AfD were based on his coverage as a congressional candidate. He has since dropped
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as indicated above by DJflem and Lebanonman19, and as seen in the article, there are plenty of reliable and verifiable sources with in-depth coverage about him to meet the general notability criteria. Kudos on the expanded article with ample sourcing; any claimed issues re promotional content are
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less GNG-passing than they really are, and (b) before NPOL existed, people used to try to list even well-sourced federal legislators (sitting British and Canadian and Australian MPs, US congresscritters, etc.) for deletion on the questionable grounds that they were purportedly lacking evidence of
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I am not finding much of a case that he is notable removed from the context of a candidacy. Once again, the sources provided here to try to convince us otherwise are not actually instances of significant coverage, but rather namechecks, passing mentions, or sources that do not count toward
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show that he has been a player in New Jersey environment-related politics for decades. This combines with coverage of his life and career during his recent run for a nomination for a congressional seat (he withdrew before the primary,) to enable the article to meet
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him, none of which help to get him over GNG for that work in lieu of not passing NPOL — and the campaign coverage itself is not enough, in either volume or geographic range, to make his candidacy a special case over and above everybody else's candidacy.
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and he does not otherwise meet notability requirement for his activism since it was barely covered before his congressional run. All the sources that are actually about him were published during his brief run for congress.
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per WP:GNG, the references determine notability, not the position someone holds. WP:Politician is for people who fail the GNG guideline but their position provides inherent notability, despite minimal references.
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out. Of course notability is not temporary which is why the article should not have been retained at that time. As a unsucessful congressional candidate, he does not pass
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While he is running for a public office, that is only part of the article. He has worked as an environmental activist for many years, as is well-documented.
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The article has 17,840 bytes with more in-depth coverage of campaign and 16,186 bytes with the appropriate mention. What 90%, which two section?
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of activism should qualify this page as sufficiently noteworthy. If his page is too promotional, it can be edited to remove that.
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You merely repeated what I wrote above, but failed to encounter the pre-campaign SIGVOV that I linked to, or my argument.
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remarkable and distinguished than their other colleagues in the same legislature (such as being internationally famous
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the borders of their own country alone, or being an actual cabinet minister and not "just" a backbencher.)
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As shown above and in article it is not based on his congressional run and there is significant coverage.
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based on the sources, not the job title. You can be a homeless person and still have an article. --
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The arguments for keep in the last AfD were based on his coverage as a congressional candidate.
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the amount of work needed to actually find and cite it, thus causing some of their articles to
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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poor excuses for deletion and excellent arguments for discussing and editing the article.
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Open space veto bill in limbo ; Environmentalists say they've blocked boost in towns' power
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a no longer running congressional candidate with no other even remote claim to notability.
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of Pringle predates the candidacy, while many others like this 2017 article in the
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Once best friends, N.J.'s top environmental leaders now fighting like bitter enemies
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Is the nominator going to respond to points made and the questions raised?
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a thing the media regularly covers. The issue with NPOL-passing roles is
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Those article just quote him, they are not significant coverage.--
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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CENTRAL JERSEY FOCUS: No end in sight for water battle
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