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631:, PamD isn't adding original research, but simply restoring the version of the page that is actually under discussion here. PamD, clan/caste clans get turned into surname articles often enough. In my opinion, this practice is good because it preserves the page history which might give possible hooks to future editors willing to expand it with content about the surname's origin etc. – 587:
On the contrary, if any edit was vandalism it was yours when you over-wrote an existing article, in the middle of an AfD discussion, to create a disambiguation page. I reverted your edit but created a disambiguation page containing the dab page entries you had contributed. Any "original research" was
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First, unfortunately, many naive people think that Knowledge is reliable, thereby believing the information present here. Along with that, Knowledge's fundamental policy demands that only the reliably-sourced info can be added to the mainspace. And that's why I am trying to remove the unsourced info
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AfDs are for the deletion discussion of an article, instead of its any particular revision. As the Dagar is up for deletion, we should present its best version here & let the !voters discuss the result. Only way you could convert the above dab page into a clan article is by clearly developing
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None of the versions are written in stone. And it's so unfortunate that a senior user like you is adding the original research. Please just take some moments to think about your latest edit to this article. And you will realize your mistake. BTW, replacing one version with the other doesn't
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cannot be discussed? As it is, you're probably going to get what you want anyway, so why not have some patience? The existence of the article in its old/current form is not going to cause the internet to implode, nor is it going to dangerously jeopardize anything. I ask again, please
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I gave you two days to think about your deliberate vandalism, but to no avail. In fact, both of you don't actually agree to the original research, with which you are deliberately replacing the above page's content. And thereby behavior of you two is perfectly explained by
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Now that combo of you two have done that enough times & other editors have seen your "point", please stop vandalising the mainspace article. Remember that one is 'free to edit' the article while this discussion or that discussion is going on. Also see
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Feel free to edit the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed. For more information, particularly on merging or moving the article during the discussion, read the guide to
826:"As a rule, editors engaging in "POINTy" behavior are making edits with which they do not actually agree, for the deliberate purpose of drawing attention and provoking opposition in the hopes of making other editors see their "point"." 532:, it doesn't give rights to anyone to vandalize the above article. So, I reverted the original research added by you. Please discuss your favored version on the article's talkpage, instead of reinstating the original research again. 990:
Finally, in your latest revert, you clearly stated that "Undid revision ... by NitinMlk ... for the last time." Now I will revert you for the last time. After that, I won't revert either of you till the end of this AfD. Thanks. -
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PS: I am using an unsecured connection to make this comment, as my connection isn't working. So, I will disconnect after reverting your vandalism to the mainspace article. Hopefully any of you won't vandalise it again. Thanks. -
528:. If you think your version – which is full of original research – is better than the then we can discuss that on the article's talkpage. And that's outside the scope of the ongoing AfD. Just because the nominator didn't follow 588:
not mine but was the long-standing page under discussion at AfD. Your edit is not helpful and I have reverted it. Please let the AfD discussion discuss the page which the nominator nominated. 16:17, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
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constitute the blanking of the article. It's just a content dispute, which we can resolve on the article's talkpage. In fact, we can add your version if you could provide its merits over the version reverted by you. -
180: 479:- I think that overwriting an article by a dab page is the equivalent of blanking it, and should not have been done. If the AfD results in deletion, then the dab page can be moved to the base name. 474:. The dab page was created by overwriting an existing article, the wrong way to set about it at any time but particularly so when there is an ongoing AfD on the article. The AfD message says 645:
But there's no policy which backs the unconstructive edits done by PamD at the above article. In fact, had the nom followed WP:BEFORE, this whole wastage of time could've been avoided. -
392:, the dab page was just recently created over a poorly-sourced clan article, which is what was actually nominated here. I think the nominator has had enough AfD-trouting lately. – 758:. It clearly states that disambiguation is not a reason for deletion. Also, read my !vote for other clarification. BTW, you should self-revert, as there's no policy which allows 52:. Whatever we decide to do about Dagar, it won't involve using the "delete" button. We might well end up converting it to a redirect; further discussion about that belongs on 244: 133: 174: 726:
again, I think that the discussion should be about the page as it exists. If it gets deleted, then the DAB can be moved here. If it stays, it can be improved.
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If you think the article should be a disambiguation page, a redirect or merger to another article, then recommend "Disambiguation", "Redirect" or "Merge".
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PS: I am reverting the vandalism done by you to the above dab page for the last time. After that, its up to others to deal with it. -
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BRRR is indeed effective! Now the mainspace page will keep on spreading misinformation till the closure of this AfD. Thanks. -
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PS: Dagar will remain a dab page, as – other than the current entries – there are five Indian villages named as 'Dagar' –
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In light of that, I've stricken my !vote/comments above, as I have no strong opinions on a subject I know little about.
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Second, the day users will 'drop the stick' against vandalism, Knowledge will become redundant in no time.
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that Dagar itself is a valid DAB. The fact that the articles linked there (which are all bluelinks, btw)
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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consensus on the article's talk page that the Dagar clan is not only notable but also the
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is not a reason to delete the DAB that holds those links. Delete the articles first,
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here. But, in reality, let alone being primary topic, the caste even fails the
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to reconsider their nomination as they might not have noticed the change.
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I have reverted it to the page it was when it was nominated, and created
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are not "vandalism" - they are perfectly acceptable edits made per
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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here, there's no need to add the tag "(disambiguation)", as per
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I am genuinely curious - why is it so bloody important that the
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the nominator for making a spurious nomination. I concur with
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Also, for the record, the actions taken by myself and
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
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Talk:Dagar
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Dagar
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edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
Stats
Google
books
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