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On the contrary, if any edit was vandalism it was yours when you over-wrote an existing article, in the middle of an AfD discussion, to create a disambiguation page. I reverted your edit but created a disambiguation page containing the dab page entries you had contributed. Any "original research" was
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None of the versions are written in stone. And it's so unfortunate that a senior user like you is adding the original research. Please just take some moments to think about your latest edit to this article. And you will realize your mistake. BTW, replacing one version with the other doesn't
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cannot be discussed? As it is, you're probably going to get what you want anyway, so why not have some patience? The existence of the article in its old/current form is not going to cause the internet to implode, nor is it going to dangerously jeopardize anything. I ask again, please
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I gave you two days to think about your deliberate vandalism, but to no avail. In fact, both of you don't actually agree to the original research, with which you are deliberately replacing the above page's content. And thereby behavior of you two is perfectly explained by
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Now that combo of you two have done that enough times & other editors have seen your "point", please stop vandalising the mainspace article. Remember that one is 'free to edit' the article while this discussion or that discussion is going on. Also see
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not mine but was the long-standing page under discussion at AfD. Your edit is not helpful and I have reverted it. Please let the AfD discussion discuss the page which the nominator nominated. 16:17, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
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