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much as I'd like to see this article kept clean until a detailed one is compiled/sourced....it likely won't happen due to the notoriety the convention has received amongst attendees. Please be patient while post-con excitement causes a few "quick and dirty" articles to be posted. (delete as necessary)
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also makes particular that: "Large organizations are likely to have more readily available verifiable information from reliable sources that provide evidence of notability; however, smaller organizations can be notable, just as individuals can be notable, and arbitrary standards should not be used to
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does not satisfy Knowledge's inclusion criteria, then you are more then welcome to nominate it. But keep in mind that No Brand Con has already been to AFD once and was kept. And given that your only edits have been about the deletion of this convention's article, the nomination my be viewed as a bad
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Please keep in mind that Knowledge is an open community where anyone can make or adjust an entry. This entry was not created by the convention staff, and that should be kept in mind when making assumptions as to its purpose. I see a lot of sloppy references posted as well as misinformation. As
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A couple things regarding those arguments. First, if the community decides what is "significant coverage" then it is well worth at least pointing out that there is no minimum in the guidelines. Second, it seems that you missed my argument that the duration of the convention and how long ago it
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states that "an organization is a group of more than one person formed together for a purpose. This includes commercial and non-commercial activities including interest groups. Please consider notable and demonstrable effects on culture, society, entertainment, etc." Daisho Con is student run
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Article is about an apparently non-notable convention. It does have a few references, but so far every one of them is to information published by the convention itself, or by people associated with it. There are also a few blogs that talk about the convention, but there is nothing that would
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which has created the third largest convention of this type in Wisconsin (as of right now) which gives the group a fairly large amount of notability and has had a notable/demonstrable effect on the anime/manga/sci-fi/etc. culture in that area.
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which only has references from animecons.com. Even on its talk page the only other mentioned references are from the campus newspaper, which were likely submitted/written by people dealing with the convention.
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happened are irrelevant to Knowledge's notability standards. Let's stick to arguing the legitimacy of the article rather than trying to patronize me on what you deem to be appropriate action.
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It appears this convention has been held exactly once, and not even a month ago. Isn't there some inclusion criteria where it has to be a repeating event? Does a one-off get an article?
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I was going to hold off from commenting since I had that spat with the article's original creator. (He took his anger out on me because I initially tagged the article for
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that says there is a minimum number of acceptable sources. The con could run for 6 years and still have no 3rd party references, as is the case with
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There is no minimum to article quantity for inclusion criteria. You say that there is a minimum of two in practice, but it doesn't appear to be so.
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article, there are actually two independent sources listed on its talk page which haven't been incorporated into the article yet. --
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number of coverage stories, only that they present "Significant coverage" (address the subject directly in detail, etc.)
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as Daisho Con. While I think the reasons in that AFD no longer apply (thus speedy G4 does not apply), I would say
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is left to the community. To argue that the exact wording of a guideline somehow trumps consensus is considered
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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In practice, we like to have at least two independent sources or one nationally published source. As for the
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speedy deletion.) However, the nominator and Kesac make good points. The article is also getting filled with
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and frowned upon. It is also inappropriate to respond to every "delete" comment with the same arguments. --
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I would just like to point out that the 3rd party media coverage of Daisho Con, specifically found here:
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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No, there's not. Also, many events that have only happened once have wikipedia articles.
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The existence of other articles with similar issues does not legitimize this article.
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Perhaps, if they have one next year, there will be more sources but until then...
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developed by discussion. This is especially true for guidelines, such as
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is not a blog or self-published, and the source would appear to meet the
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stance, I think Daisho Con has notability as an organization as well.
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criteria. However, it was the only such source I was able to locate.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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and appear to be used by the con as an information platform. --
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non-notable (refs amount to nothing more than self refs)
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Original creator attempted a copy&paste move to
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
MBisanz
01:42, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
DaishoCon
DaishoCon
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
independent reliable source
notability guidelines
Jayron32
talk
contribs
02:33, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Daisho Con
Farix
Talk
02:49, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
AFD
Kesac
talk

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