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343:. It is in depth coverage by multiple independent published works by identifiable people with good reputations for fact checking and accuracy. Your rationale fails to demonstrate that. The article itself fails to demonstrate it, too. Cite some sources to do so, if you want to make an argument that actually holds water. 458:
notability. Filter you ghits for non-blog, facebook etc, drop out the match reports where he is named as a substitute and other passing mentions and you find he has not done a whole lot of note - as yet. for those arguing hi will be notable soon...what is the hurry? this is not his resumè page. Recreate if and when. --
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lists English League 1, where he has been listed on the sub bench, as a "fully professional league." The arrogant Knowledge admin commenting above me has claimed the above list as gospel so why in the world would he claim a player who's been a sub in English League 1, a "fully professional league,"
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Yes one gets paid if on the bench, but one also gets paid if not on the bench if one is a contracted football player. But then again, one also gets paid to deliver parcels if working for a courier company, make sandwiches if working for a sandwich bar...Its not about getting paid, it is about
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That page states "the quality of the search engine results matters more than the raw number" and if one checks those hits, many of them are from major football sites and given this player's unique name, they are all surely about him and not someone else with the same name.
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appear to involve his 1-month loan signing with Bristol Rovers, or the 1-month extension of the loan. There is no indication of his achievments or notability outside of signing with a professional club. I don't think that's significant coverage.
326:, player is generating a lot of interest on the net (e.g. when he was loaned to Bristol Rovers), perhaps not surprising as is he is in the first-team squad of a Premier League team, and thus has general notability. 378:
since one is still paid when they are named to the subs bench. He also has over 3000 Google hits including a profile page on all of the major football sites which would appear to establish notability.
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Procedural nomination, PROD disputed with rationale "is in the 1st team squad of a current Premier Lge team and can be expected to play senior football for a League team shortly" (which falls under
658:- merely warming the bench is not "competing at a fully professional level" - what if he leaves the club tomorrow? Then we're left with an article on a guy whose greatest achievement was 633:
applies to players who have actually competed at this level - merely sitting on the bench or being given a shirt number isn't competing, and therefore isn't enough to confer notability.
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as he has yet to make his debut at a fully professional level - if this article was deleted and he then does make his debut, this article could easily be recreated by an administrator.
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I know I'm just repeating what has already been said here, but I think I need to say it anyway. He may have made it onto the subs bench for a fully-pro team but he hasn't actually
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playing in League One. And no, it isn't that unusual for players to warm the bench but then leave without ever crossing the whitewash - at the team I support,
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I've given the IP above a Final warning for this and a similar attack on another AfD. Only 2 edits from this address, both attacking Angelo in AfDs.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The above is a strawman considering that "fully professional" is frequently cited as a criterion of
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Fully_professional_leagues
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for them yet - that's the key point we're trying to get across here.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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as there is never any guarantee that he would). Player fails
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
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Danzelle St Louis-Hamilton
Danzelle St Louis-Hamilton
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