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413:. Although I'm a strong proponent for deletion of marginally notable BLPs, I think military personnel and government employees are the exception, because their work careers are supposed to be open to public scrutiny. The case against Druyun received wide-spread attention in the media, even if the article doesn't currently reflect this, because it was such a blatent and extreme violation of government ethics regulations. Her case is still used in US government ethics training as the primary example of how not to behave in a position of public trust. That being said, I think there is a valid argument that this article should be merged with 523:
I wanted to comment on Rootology's statement, above ("You may wish to add sourcing then to demonstrate notability before the AFD closes, or else your keep has no standing. The burden is on those wanting to Keep.") I wonder if Rootology's confused about the interplay of
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deals with content, and it places a duty on all editors to cut unsourced, negative information about living people from Knowledge (XXG) on sight. It does not deal with subjects or topics, but the actual text of an
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Why would you delete an article about a public person (government employee) who has significant in-depth coverage in multiple independent reliable sources? Clearly notable. Clean it up.
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during the discussion. This is edging uncomfortably close to an attack page, and I certainly agree with the nominator, particularly about the BLP concerns. I would add
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applies as well. This not a biography in any sense, nor encyclopediac. It's a laundry list of allegations and maybe-crimes. Also, being an executive at a corporations is
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You may wish to add sourcing then to demonstrate notability before the AFD closes, or else your keep has no standing. The burden is on those wanting to Keep.
612:- I think there are sufficient references here to demonstrate notability. In particular, the existence of the highly in-depth CBS news article 388:
Thanks, I'll remember that in future deletion discussions when people are screaming "notable" when the subject of the article clearly isn't.
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because the article's now better-sourced. The BLP concerns remain, and I think BLP concerns trump notability arguments in this case.
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evidence of notability in any way, shape, or form, either. There are thousands of such corporations and divisions. Delete per
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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deals with subjects and topics but not content. So if something's not notable, it shouldn't have
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Yes, and there are plenty more in major newspapers and media networks if you Google her name.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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is a strong claim to notability, as is the fact that Donald Rumsfeld commented on this case
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to look for sources, not on the "keep" side alone (nor on the "delete" side alone).—
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Although the sources demonstrated sufficient notability, I added a few more.
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are pretty negative biogaphies, but nobody argues they should be deleted.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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