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315:- While the current state of the article isn't the best, there are independent sources covering this topic. I've just added one before commenting here, and am in the process of finding more. The devil-type creatures in D&D were the primary focus of much of the religious panic related to the game back in the 1980s. Approaching the subject from that angle, there is plenty of analytical coverage of the concept. The detailed publication history and lists of all the variants could certainly be compressed and trimmed, but there is a core concept that is notable. — 367:
Of all the possible D&D articles, this one will have the most cultural commentary. In addition to the independent RS'ed commentary Torchiest has found above, the entire class of Devils was taken out of AD&D second edition, presumably in response to the censorship attempts against the first
402:. Most of this content belongs at Wikia, but it should be possible to write a policy-compliant article on this topic. Like others have said, Devils in AD&D were a pretty big deal in the press. Also, Google Books returns some promising leads, such as 176: 292: 170: 403: 129: 102: 97: 106: 89: 136: 249:. Notability here is measured by whether or not the subject has been covered in reliable independent sources, not the current state of the article. -- 219:
of the D&D devil monster in secondary literature. This is a common problem with articles on D&D creatures— unless the creature has been
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which track the appearance of D&D devils in various monster manuals and compendia and game modules and bestiaries— they do not include
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plenty of refs from 3rd party and outside publications. The articles needs editing, but an AFD is not an editing tag.
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in at least a few secondary places, the creature itself will not qualify as notable for the purposes of Knowledge.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Here's another source that discusses the controversy and devils in quite a bit of detail:
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All of the references given here (yes, all of them, and there are a lot) are
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The Role-Playing Society: Essays on the Cultural Influence of RPGs
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The Role-Playing Society: Essays on the Cultural Influence of RPGs
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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