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nominating crap for deletion. This is far easier to resolve than you think. The South Park episodes have a different navigation system than MASH does; using that system would take readers to the notable articles directly, and to the list of episodes if not notable. And insisting that without a uniform policy this can't be nom'd is a form of OTHERCRAPEXISTS, it'st 'other crap will still exist and that's somehow unfair.
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Since all M*A*S*H episodes have the same reason to stay, and apparently all were nominated separately at the same time, I'll just copy and paste my response. Millions of people found the episode notable enough to watch, and thus it is clearly notable enough to have a wikipedia article on. Any movie
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article from being too big to be readable. I wouldn't object to each season having a single page, but there should be a discussion of a uniform way to handle this. We have many TV series covered here and deleting episodes here-and-there isn't a scalable way of addressing the issue. Also, there are
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the system isn't appreciated. Had I nominated the dozens of bad MASH articles which all fail PLOT and have been prodded for years, then you'd be here complaining the same damn thing, instead you're complaining that I nominated one, and should instead formulate a policy single-handedly before
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It's been prodded for two years with nothing but trivia, which I removed, an IB and one line of plot. Now it's one line of plot and the IB. What notability does it assert?
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