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nominating crap for deletion. This is far easier to resolve than you think. The South Park episodes have a different navigation system than MASH does; using that system would take readers to the notable articles directly, and to the list of episodes if not notable. And insisting that without a uniform policy this can't be nom'd is a form of OTHERCRAPEXISTS, it'st 'other crap will still exist and that's somehow unfair.
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for improvement if the presumption of notability is reasonable and commonsense. Knowledge does not expect nor demand every article be perfect, even through various interpretations of ever-changing guideline. Mass nominations act to be disruptive of the project in forcing a ticking clock where none is
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Since all M*A*S*H episodes have the same reason to stay, and apparently all were nominated separately at the same time, I'll just copy and paste my response. Millions of people found the episode notable enough to watch, and thus it is clearly notable enough to have a wikipedia article on. Any movie
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My intent is to delete more, but mass deletions of such messy situations inevitably lead to accusations of bad faith and vendettas and so on. One at a time is the way to go. If I had nominated a mass of the episodes, I'd likewise be opposed for NOT nominating one at a time. As well, OTHERCRAPEXISTS
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article from being too big to be readable. I wouldn't object to each season having a single page, but there should be a discussion of a uniform way to handle this. We have many TV series covered here and deleting episodes here-and-there isn't a scalable way of addressing the issue. Also, there are
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is almost certainly not encyclopedic content. Bad content is our problem, not whether or not we have the content in separate articles. I am a little interest by the announced decision ihere at an AfD to change the balance of articles about episodes. we've been discussing what to do about fiction
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What notability does each demonstrate? NONE. NO assertions of notability. No real world content. And the bad faith accusation that I'm somehow circumventing a non-starter discussion on notability in fiction is ridiculous; I've been involved with it for over year, and was there when the community
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shows that there are already breaks in the system you're so reluctant to see destroyed. Clearly this can be winnowed some more, with notable episodes being broken out, nad non-notables relegated to the episode list. No one's asking for a salting, so if truly WP:RS material occurs, they can be
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the system isn't appreciated. Had I nominated the dozens of bad MASH articles which all fail PLOT and have been prodded for years, then you'd be here complaining the same damn thing, instead you're complaining that I nominated one, and should instead formulate a policy single-handedly before
289:. In the context of M*A*S*H and all the attention it has garnered, and thinking of how so many TV shows are handled this way on WP, I don't think going piecemeal is the right approach. Some discussion on how TV shows like this should be handled would useful (cf. the recent success of 866:. In reagrds to guidelines about this, WP:FICT, a proposed guideline to address episodes failed for the third time. WP:PLOT is in an edit war, with a majority of editors supporting its removal, and editors removing the section, so much so the page has been protected for 2 weeks. 235:
all of these episodes seem to have entries, and deleting this one will break the scheme and the navigation in the sidebox. If these are to be deleted/pruned then a policy is needed to judge amongst them, and decide what is a reasonable fork-for-length and what isn't.
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Yet again, I am forced to follow along behind Richard Arthur Norton to defend myself against his baseless accusations and alarmism. That was nominated at the same time as all these other episodes. Please stop all the nonsense hand-waving and Bad Faith harassment.
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overwhelmingly rejected FICT. I've nominated just a few of the bad articles to avoid exactly that attack, and now that I'm getting the attacks anyways, it's at least clear that there's no way to nominate fiction without being attacked.
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and add more real world context and criticism, this one needs to be expanded not deleted. We need to avoid a bias toward recentism. I don't see any difference between this MASH episode an a random Seinfeld episode, for example:
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that has a significant number of viewers is notable(the guidelines changed after a discussion I was in not too long ago), and there is no reason why television shouldn't be held by the same common sense standard.
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Fill in a better plot summary. There are several books out that have commentary on MASH episodes, pre 1990 TV is at a disadvantage for having the first run before the Internet age. Also when quoting
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Niteshift36 has made this same small, unsupported statement at many, if not all, of these MASH AfDs, and not provided any sort of 'proof' of notability assertion within any such article.
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Mass nominations of multiple articles about an award-winning series does not realistically allow time for the improvements the nominator suggests are needed. Knowledge has no
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It's been prodded for two years with nothing but trivia, which I removed, an IB and one line of plot. Now it's one line of plot and the IB. What notability does it assert?
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There are independent sources about the episode available for the article, so meets notability. Article needs improvement, but that is not a valid reason for deletion.
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The sources referred to only support the tiny blurb, yet make no assertions of individual notability for this article. This material could easily be moved to the LoE.
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as it is a lengthy list of very similar articles from this and other TV shows. A single policy is the best way to handle it. I can view this one on its own as failing
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perhaps the solution to to merge the articles properly with consensus obtained after discussing it on an appropriate page, instead of taking it here? thats
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These episodes are mentioned in numerous books and notable sites, which I will add here shortly. This should have been discussed on the
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without reaching a conclusion, but with some attempt at compromise. It seems decidedly unhelpful to try to start a campaign now.
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there have been improvements and signifigant external link additions to this article since if was put up for deletion.
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Not if there's nothing notable to write about. The vast majority of MASH episodes demonstrate that there is not.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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isn't a reason to keep. Further, nothing says the navbox cannot send readers to a list of episodes.
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Most episodes of TV series are not invidiually notable. I see nothing that makes this one notable.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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the issue isn't individual notability of the episodes as much as organization/
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There appears to be a misunderstanding. It has not been PRODDED for 2 years.
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and deleting it as being unfortunate to delete just some of them in light of
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Yes, he thinks it's clever. Not the first time he's used it, either. --
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Prodded almost two years ago; no independent assertions of notability.
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The way to deal with breaks in sequence is to write the missing parts
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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plenty of reliable sources: See the episode guides listed here
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He is already moving on to season two of MASH: please see
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page(s), which are related to this deletion discussion.
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We have stubs all the time, waiting to be filled out. --
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instead of a mass deletion spree of 24 articles, per
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Dear Dad...Again
Dear Dad...Again
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