414:- As noted in the other discussion, DMacks mistake with the link comes shortly after blocking a sock who was trying to "protect" the articles by repeatedly removing the AfD note and such. As also discussed, no specialized knowledge of anything is needed to note that the article did not have significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Where you came up with the idea that it was up for deletion because some have never heard of it is immaterial. "Widely aknowledge in the field" is meaningless
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537:- Having trudged through "Sound of the Beast..." (mentioned above), I cannot seem to find this album. I find a brief, passing mention that Possessed had a song called "Death Metal" (as an early use of the term), but nothing to provide any content for this article and its claims to significance. -
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