546:) who he (Smart) publicly fired from the company that he Smart is now President of. So it comes as no surprise that since that happened (back to May 2010) new Wiki editors like Wikiposter0123 are once again popping up and attempting to not only taint the page but also have it deleted. They have also tried to have that libelous Follies website (which is hosted by a known Smart detractor Bill Huffman) added as an entry to his Wiki page for years and with no success. The talk pages show this effort as well as Huffman's own attempts to influence the page entries themselves. The solution, just like other Wiki pages which have the same fate, is to just lock the page and have it only edited by admins or credible Wiki editors.
258:: some of the negative things removed were removed simply because they only had one RS backing them up. Cla68 is intentionally interpreting BLP's to the strictest terms to remove anything negative from his article to the point where he hopes there will not be enough left to even have an article at all. Mr. Smart is a notable figure in the gaming world whose overhyped games and controversial internet interactions with detractors of his games has built him a legacy that still echoes in gaming communities on the internet to this day. Cla68 needs to stop trying to sanitize Smart's article and just let it build back up. Here are some RS's that have been gratuitously removed
466:: We do not delete articles due to their vandalism potential, what we do is we lock these pages down. If we didn't we would loose tons of valuable pages such as George W Bush and Barrack Obama. Now I'm not saying the Derek Smart is a figure as important as these presidential figure, but he is still a notable person in the video gaming community and I'd argue one of the few big names to come out of game designing. His work on the Battlecruiser series is for better or worse legendary. There's a lot of useful ways to handle the problem of vandalism and libel, deleting valuable articles however is not one of them. --
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Follies) isn't appropriate to Knowledge (XXG)(even though I think it's full of info people looking for stuff on Derek Smart would find interesting), and referring to his life as being "like a public soap opera" was a little harsh(albeit true). But I maintain that more needs to be added on this guy that he is a controversial person, not just your typical poorly received independent game developer, and that I make no effort to "taint" his article, just that I try not to get controversy scrubbed from controversial articles.
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think accurately. The notion that I added that site to attack Derek Smart and not just to try and provide reliable information is a result of your disagreeing that the site is a fair representation of him which I happen to view it as. Please do not insinuate that I have something against Derek and that I want to make him look bad simply because I want an accurate reflection of the drama and controversy surrounding his life.
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Huffman was in favor of its deletion, interestingly enough! However, Derek Smart the man has been mentioned in reliable sources, so there is a case to
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I've already stated that I realize now that it is not appropriate to
Knowledge (XXG). However whether or not it is an attack site is debatable(which I'm sure you will because you view criticism of Derek as an attack and not as a fair view of him). The site chronicles and discusses Derek Smart, and I
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President of. So it comes as no surprise that since that happened (back to May 2010) new Wiki editors like Wikiposter0123 are once again popping up and
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Just to reiterate, the site is a valuable site for people who want to look into Derek Smart(try reading it if you want to evaluate so for yourself), and I still feel that including it would be justified if it were not for rules by
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of hits from interviews, seminars, forum postings, gaming related etc. The problem with his Wiki page is the same that afflicts all other Wiki pages in that it is subject to not only vandalism but also posts which clearly violate
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