Knowledge

:Articles for deletion/Dickerson 41 - Knowledge

Source 📝

482:
applied to things like football matches; the match report is mere routine coverage. It is not usually applied to things that find their way into books (and a football match that did so would then be more than routine). I don't see the point of citing WP:EXIST. This is not merely evidence that the thing exists, it is evidence that a reliable source considered it notable.
481:
In what way is that routine coverage? It is a book about sailboats. Clearly, the author has not included every sailboat ever built. He has included the ones he feels are notable. That is our definition of notability: a reliable source has noted it. The "routine coverage" argument is usually
388:
and then nominate it for deletion. Would the closer please note that the comments in this debate were all made on the basis of the stubbed article. It would have been fairer just to nominate it and let it stand or fall on its contents. I really can't agree with the removal of material on the
467:(hopefully it doesn't read as antagonistic, it's meant to be tongue-in-cheek), wikipedia would be drowning in articles for every song ever written, every house ever built, etc if there was not some limit on what is considered notable. 173: 584: 507:. I agree that most of the material removed just prior to this AfD was spammy-fluff. But, the Field Guild to Sailboats cited above appears to be a reliable source. I've also found: 389:
grounds that it is about individual boats of the class. It is perfectly normal to discuss notable individual vessels in an article about the class. For instance, every article in
289: 167: 585:
http://books.google.com/books?id=lLBpvRlT80UC&lpg=PA117&ots=5hUB6y-TZw&dq=dickerson%20yachts&pg=PA117#v=onepage&q=dickerson%20yachts&f=false
269: 126: 251:
notable (which IMHO is much less likely than, say, an individual boat of the model series being notable), it should be included in the article about the builder.
309: 566:
For the Dickerson 41 specifically, I agree the reference situation is pretty thin. But, we do a bit better for Dickerson Yachts, as a company:
63: 133: 52:. While there are some qualified comments to weak keep, it isn't convincing enough to overcome what appears to be a consensus to delete. 519: 99: 94: 103: 17: 530:
existed, I would certainly support merging into that, but we don't currently have such an article. Possibly rename this to
188: 394: 86: 569: 534:, restore some of the less fluffy material which was deleted, and include a list of other models built by Dickerson? -- 155: 390: 629: 40: 589: 149: 597: 488: 451: 405: 59: 145: 625: 610: 557: 541: 493: 476: 456: 429: 410: 376: 357: 321: 301: 281: 260: 237: 213: 68: 36: 531: 527: 393:
includes a list of the individual vessels and, where notable, some of their history. As for sources,
372: 195: 472: 425: 350: 256: 222:
A lot of this rides on whether sailboat models themselves are notable. I can find some specs (e.g.
181: 579: 607: 538: 483: 446: 400: 520:
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/general-discussion-sailing-related/68846-dickerson-41-ketch.html
317: 297: 277: 209: 90: 53: 29:
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
624:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
596:
which is why I think it might make sense to rename this (the more correct name appears to be
35:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
233: 464: 399:
has a section on the Dickerson 41 and I am seeing numerous mentions in sailing magazines.
368: 161: 445:
can you explain why you think the book I linked to above is not evidence of notability?
420:
even considering the previous state of the article, there is no evidence of notability.
514: 468: 440: 421: 337: 252: 223: 570:
http://www.stardem.com/news/article_c998ad90-f03d-5ac3-b417-eac5acbe22d9.html?mode=jqm
604: 552: 535: 313: 293: 273: 205: 82: 74: 120: 574: 333: 229: 226: 228:; looking around it's a reasonably well-known boat in the yachting community. 590:
http://www.oceannavigator.com/January-February-2003/Reviving-an-old-design/
600:) and use that as the start of a new article (preserving the history). 526:
neither of which are wonderful sources, but provide some support. If
618:
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
580:
http://www.woodtoglass.org/builders/dickerson-boatbuilders.html
204:
tagged for notability since march 2009. Non notable IMO
385: 116: 112: 108: 180: 551:
Even with that, there is no evidence of notability.
515:
http://www.svsoutherncross.com/goodboat/goodboat.htm
290:
list of Transportation-related deletion discussions
43:). No further edits should be made to this page. 632:). No further edits should be made to this page. 225:) and something like a history of the builder 575:http://oya.com/dickerson/DickersonHistory.pdf 270:list of Business-related deletion discussions 194: 8: 308:Note: This debate has been included in the 288:Note: This debate has been included in the 268:Note: This debate has been included in the 396:A Field Guide to Sailboats of North America 367:. No 3rd parties have mentioned this boat. 310:list of Sports-related deletion discussions 307: 287: 267: 463:I believe it is routine coverage. As per 7: 24: 247:. Unless the sailboat model is 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 1: 386:remove the bulk of an article 649: 391:list of battleship classes 611:00:46, 21 July 2014 (UTC) 558:23:20, 20 July 2014 (UTC) 542:21:46, 20 July 2014 (UTC) 494:12:13, 20 July 2014 (UTC) 477:11:59, 20 July 2014 (UTC) 457:10:09, 20 July 2014 (UTC) 430:09:10, 20 July 2014 (UTC) 411:13:03, 19 July 2014 (UTC) 384:. It is disingenuous to 377:22:21, 18 July 2014 (UTC) 358:00:43, 13 July 2014 (UTC) 322:00:24, 10 July 2014 (UTC) 302:00:24, 10 July 2014 (UTC) 282:00:24, 10 July 2014 (UTC) 69:02:00, 21 July 2014 (UTC) 621:Please do not modify it. 261:14:24, 9 July 2014 (UTC) 238:14:03, 9 July 2014 (UTC) 214:13:14, 9 July 2014 (UTC) 32:Please do not modify it. 598:Dickerson Boatbuilders 332:as no evidence of any 48:The result was 324: 304: 284: 66: 640: 623: 555: 532:Dickerson Yachts 528:Dickerson Yachts 444: 355: 347: 342: 199: 198: 184: 136: 124: 106: 64: 34: 648: 647: 643: 642: 641: 639: 638: 637: 636: 630:deletion review 619: 553: 438: 351: 343: 338: 141: 132: 97: 81: 78: 41:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 646: 644: 635: 634: 615: 614: 613: 601: 594: 593: 592: 587: 582: 577: 572: 561: 560: 545: 544: 524: 523: 522: 517: 509: 508: 501: 500: 499: 498: 497: 496: 460: 459: 433: 432: 414: 413: 379: 361: 360: 326: 325: 305: 285: 264: 263: 241: 240: 202: 201: 138: 77: 72: 46: 45: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 645: 633: 631: 627: 622: 616: 612: 609: 606: 602: 599: 595: 591: 588: 586: 583: 581: 578: 576: 573: 571: 568: 567: 565: 564: 563: 562: 559: 556: 550: 547: 546: 543: 540: 537: 533: 529: 525: 521: 518: 516: 513: 512: 511: 510: 506: 503: 502: 495: 492: 491: 487: 486: 480: 479: 478: 474: 470: 466: 462: 461: 458: 455: 454: 450: 449: 442: 437: 436: 435: 434: 431: 427: 423: 419: 416: 415: 412: 409: 408: 404: 403: 398: 397: 392: 387: 383: 380: 378: 374: 370: 366: 363: 362: 359: 356: 354: 348: 346: 341: 335: 331: 328: 327: 323: 319: 315: 311: 306: 303: 299: 295: 291: 286: 283: 279: 275: 271: 266: 265: 262: 258: 254: 250: 246: 243: 242: 239: 235: 231: 227: 224: 221: 218: 217: 216: 215: 211: 207: 197: 193: 190: 187: 183: 179: 175: 172: 169: 166: 163: 160: 157: 154: 151: 147: 144: 143:Find sources: 139: 135: 131: 128: 122: 118: 114: 110: 105: 101: 96: 92: 88: 84: 80: 79: 76: 73: 71: 70: 67: 61: 57: 56: 51: 44: 42: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 620: 617: 548: 504: 489: 484: 452: 447: 417: 406: 401: 395: 381: 364: 352: 344: 339: 329: 248: 244: 219: 203: 191: 185: 177: 170: 164: 158: 152: 142: 129: 83:Dickerson 41 75:Dickerson 41 55:Dennis Brown 54: 49: 47: 31: 28: 168:free images 369:Frmorrison 334:notability 626:talk page 505:Weak Keep 469:1292simon 441:1292simon 422:1292simon 314:• Gene93k 294:• Gene93k 274:• Gene93k 253:Tupsumato 220:weak keep 37:talk page 628:or in a 605:RoySmith 554:Reywas92 536:RoySmith 485:Spinning 465:WP:EXIST 448:Spinning 418:Delete - 402:Spinning 127:View log 39:or in a 206:Gbawden 174:WP refs 162:scholar 100:protect 95:history 608:(talk) 549:Delete 539:(talk) 365:Delete 353:(talk) 330:Delete 245:Delete 230:Mangoe 146:Google 104:delete 50:delete 490:Spark 453:Spark 407:Spark 340:Davey 189:JSTOR 150:books 134:Stats 121:views 113:watch 109:links 16:< 473:talk 426:talk 382:Keep 373:talk 345:2010 318:talk 298:talk 278:talk 257:talk 249:very 234:talk 210:talk 182:FENS 156:news 117:logs 91:talk 87:edit 603:-- 336:. – 196:TWL 125:– ( 65:WER 475:) 428:) 375:) 349:• 320:) 312:. 300:) 292:. 280:) 272:. 259:) 236:) 212:) 176:) 119:| 115:| 111:| 107:| 102:| 98:| 93:| 89:| 62:| 60:2¢ 58:| 471:( 443:: 439:@ 424:( 371:( 316:( 296:( 276:( 255:( 232:( 208:( 200:) 192:· 186:· 178:· 171:· 165:· 159:· 153:· 148:( 140:( 137:) 130:· 123:) 85:(

Index

Knowledge:Articles for deletion
talk page
deletion review
Dennis Brown

WER
02:00, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Dickerson 41
Dickerson 41
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
Stats
Google
books
news
scholar
free images
WP refs
FENS
JSTOR
TWL
Gbawden

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.