200:— The church is needing to have this article removed because they are going through a branding process and search engine optimization of the existing website of the church and any activity online is being hindered by this article. It is promoting itself above everything including Facebook, google maps, and search engines which list this article above any searches that include the name East Waynesville Baptist Church. This article is also damaging the churches ability to develop a better rapport within communities locally after many years and many changes within the church that have been established. Please also see how having a Knowledge (XXG) article can negatively effect a entity online trying to brand itself. I have created the official Facebook page and website for the church but Facebook will not allow the removal of the Knowledge (XXG) related page they created. Google has also integrated this article on its own into the quick facts section of its maps.google.com website. This is also referenced below.
1250:, churches with 100 members are medium size churches. It is my opinion that medium-size churches are not generally notable. While some of the burst of attention in 2005 is going to the church itself, more of the attention is going to a national political story. If the attention is going to the church, why do we know nothing about its founders? There seems to be a tentative opinion that the topic satisfies WP:GNG, but there are several reasons why such an article should not have a standalone article. For one, the topic fails WP:SUSTAINED. To some extent, the article fails
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552:: this AfD was generated without the proper layout, and without entering it into the AfD log. I've now had a go at tidying it up, but more needs to be done to put it in the correct format, so more editors will have a chance to see this and join in the discussion. I can't see any procedurally valid deletion reason given in the original submission; perhaps the original poster might want to see if they can provide one? --
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