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639:. "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." A Bronze Star could have been given by any captain to any person under his command that was "mentioned in orders" or "received a certificate for exceptional service", having performed a deed of "merit". This could be to any military person that had received the Combat Infantryman Badge or the Combat Medical Badge so is not that "significant". Lacking the "oak leaf cluster", golden star, or "V" for "heoism in battle", it is not monumentally notable. Lacking a consensus for WP:IAR we can stretch the included "interesting" reasoning, that still seems better listed as "because I like it", when lacking the needed sourcing. 430:
Denver Post obituary linked in the article is longer than most of these, which are about 11 paragraphs. You can find more at google books or newspapers.com. Outside of this and BoB-verse material, there is not much interest in him from the news. Thus the "Early life" and "Later life" sections of the article likely passes WP:V, WP:NOR, and WP:NPOV. Parts of the Military Service sections are only in the BoB-verse material, I don't know whether or not they are well documented enough to pass V, but they may be corroborated from records possibly available at Fold3 or elsewhere. The John Hay Fellowship was awarded to a large number (Brotherton says Tipper said about 30, but elsewhere the number in 1961 is said to be 76) of teachers (fourteen are listed
561:- I don't doubt that Tipper was a nice guy but he didn't have a "military career;" he was discharged in 1945 after losing an eye in Normandy in 1944. he's is barely mentioned in the book and series (as compared to Guarnere, Winters, Webster, Compton, and Speirs); the information that does appear is largely anecdotal. There's nothing in Ambrose's book about Tipper being involved in the fence-cutting incident that was featured in the first(?) episode of the series; the producers admitted to combining characters. There's no mention of Tipper getting a Bronze Star in Ambrose's book; Tipper may have received one under the later provision of awarding BSMs (without the "V" device) to infantrymen, which I'm not knocking.-- 52:. Evaluating this AfD, there were many !votes for keep with a fuzzy understanding of how applicable policy may apply to the article given the sources and coverage. Both sides have arguments that are vague and don't necessarily refute the other side. Some participants expressed their views without a !vote, however their views also expressed interest in keeping but not necessarily for policy reasons. There was no consensus for redirect and based on the quality and content of the comments here, I am closing this as no consensus. 627:"For people, the person who is the topic of a biographical article should be "worthy of notice" or "note" – that is, "remarkable" or "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded" within Knowledge (XXG) as a written account of that person's life. "Notable" in the sense of being "famous" or "popular" – although not irrelevant – is secondary." 543:
is correct that having his actions portrayed in a major series certainly would appear to bump him up - there are counterparts to the source given that indicate that the bronze star was awarded (the original does too, but the relevant bit hides under a pay wall rapidly). Therefore I am inclined to say
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To expand on the previous comment, Tipper's obituary was carried by the Associated Press and published in the Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune (shortened), Philadelphia Inquirer, Baltimore Sun, St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Indianapolis Star (shortened), South Florida Sentinel, and many more papers. The
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but there is no information about the conditions under which it was awarded; the decision in 1947 to award Bronze Stars to infantrymen is noted). Post-War, he earned a masters degree and became a teacher; while well regarded at the local level, he did not achieve wide-ranging
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kindly pointed out to me Tipper's obituary appeared in a number of newspapers nationwide; the obituary had been picked up by the Associated Press. I counted about twenty papers. The notices were basically similar and spoke of his brief time in the Army and his career as a
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makes him more notable than his career alone would suggest. He's received significant coverage in both a book and a major TV series.
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is deliberately rather vague on people, giving a significant non-stated area between those definitely in and definitely out.
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nor even a minor one with a major roll in three episodes. As far as I know the subject did not author anything such as
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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to book or movie. Insufficient individual notability to support an article.--
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then just consensus against policy will work. The subject was portrayed in a
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template includes this page. No harm in keeping it, and a gain for
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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