474:, hopefully your battle at the article has ended. If it continues, and I see it, either or both of you may be blocked. @Winkelvi, a polite suggestion: leave the article alone, whether it has unsourced material or poorly sourced material in it. Editors who evaluate the notability of the subject can easily see what is sourced and what isn't and how. You're also free to comment here on the sources rather than deleting material from the article. The article is short; it's not that hard to go through. That said, @Skyerise, edit-warring is not justified, even if you think that what Winkelvi is doing is in "bad form". Now, why don't the two of you sit back, relax, and let other editors opine on whether the article should be kept or deleted.--
608:. The article subject simply has nothing "out there" in form of secondary sources. Other than what's already in the article, there's nothing but primary. I've looked at his artwork online, read his bio. I like what he does artistically, and he looks like a great guy, but he's just not notable for Knowledge (XXG) purposes. As another editor pointed out above, the article subject has one watercolor from 1986 displayed in a museum in Seattle and a membership card in an artists' group. Truth is, there are a lot of great artists currently in the world, but relatively, only a handful of them are eligible according to our guidelines and policies on notability. The article subject doesn't fall into that handful. --
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Which wikipedia guideline states a first prize in a huge art exhibition 29 years ago does not count? Like I said, "Notability is supported by the reference: "Giecek's work Near Spring won first prize at the twenty-eight annual Puget Sound Area
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