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63:: This article should be deleted according to the "no original research" policy. Please read the article and check the links in it before voting. The recuring defense to keeping it is the large number of sources, but if you read the sources they don't talk about this. For example the NASA link talks about electricity in our atmosphere causing light effects and such, and not about this. Also several facts in the article are obviously wrong, like the fact that craters are caused by lightning bolts instead of meteors, which has direct evidence against. 133:
I'm not a believer in the Electric Universe theory, but I suggest that this article remain. I don't mind an having an unreviewed scientific theory present as long as the issue is known on a global scale (The number of Google hits and the number of editors on this article suggest it is) and it is said
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not mainstream science and is widely dismissed and riduculed as lacking merit by most every mainstream physicist, I'm fine with it being here. I do think, however, that the article has gotten badly out of control, and that someone needs to wrestle it back into having some semblance of objectivity. —
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I agree with Solarusdude. In my opinion, the whole Electric Universe thing is crackpot psuedoscience that's been picked up by the oddball fringe, but it does have a significant group of followers (for whatever reason) who are good at making noise. As long as the article clearly states that this is
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Many of the references appear to be wrongly appropriated. Others are unscientific. So the question seems to me to be whether this is a notable social phenomenon (as it's not a scientific theory). I don't think it is but I'm open to being convinced otherwise.
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This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.
237:: It doesn't explain what the electric universe theory is supposed to be about. Electricity is not a new discovery and electrical charge is considered in many theories. The article doesn't identify what's supposed to be missing in the mainstream theories. 381:, but we probably want to keep it. If you believe this phenomenon to be non-notable or non-encyclopedic, state your case, but saying X isn't nearly as well-known as very-famous Y or Z doesn't really shed any light on the issue, does it? 77:" The Electric Universe concept covers many areas, including the idea that electricity plays a much greater role in the universe than generally accpeted. In this respect, the theory is consistent with many existing and accepted theories. 134:
in the article that the theory is unsupported by the scientific community. My reasoning behind this is the article can still have a historic value even if it no longer has a scientific one. It also appears from the
309:. The Electric Universe stuff is likely pseudoscientific BS, but this article seems at least equally devoted to presenting the critiques and failure of the theory, not cheerleading for the junk science. As with 253:. Other than that, it is very clear to me that this is a very real pseudoscience, and the right course of action is to remove any portions of the article that are OR or unsourced. 225:." Lack of consensus in a previous VfD does not establish a precedent to keep. Saying it "survived the vote" is a stretch not equivalent to "achieved consensus to keep". 84:" The article does not present this idea as a fact, but as a theory; I am not aware of any evidence that proves that craters can not be created my electical discharges. -- 390:
That's what I said. We can't include each and every crackpottery on Earth. From what I see, this particular one is very minor, non-notable in the extreme.
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For what it's worth, I had seen mention of this crackpottery before I ever saw the Knowledge (XXG) article. I'm pretty sure it was from
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that deletion was discussed before and a consensus was not reached. I hope we are not simply debating the same points we did before. -
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be keeping, providing it gives a clear picture of the particular concept, it does not matter two hoots about it being a notable
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an
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Indeed. Elfguy said that several facts "are obviously wrong" without any substantiation. And many statements
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gone through the Votes for deletion process, where originality was discussed. See previous
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The recuring defense but if you read the sources they don't talk about this
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be falsified by an "ugly fact", but without either, it is just opinion. --
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thingamabob. Has it made enough impact on our culture? I would say yes.
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be, and saying "there's no evidence to disprove it" brings you into
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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From the 20 July closing: "The result of the debate was
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
Splash
00:16, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
Electric Universe concept
Votes for deletion
Elfguy
18:18, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Iantresman
20:10, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Flying Spaghetti Monster
ceejayoz

20:33, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Iantresman
21:40, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
talk page
Solarusdude
19:10, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Dlyons493
19:30, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Cory Maylett
Votes for deletion
Iantresman
20:02, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
ceejayoz

20:33, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
MacRusgail
20:44, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Barno

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