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886:? If we had a lot of sourced, reliable and widely accepted evidence about CIA involvement in the World Trade Center attacks, that would be a legitimate article. But we do have a lot of such evidence about FSB involvement, as described in multiple reliable sources, and as admitted by many main-stream historians and politicians in Russia and US. 390: 88: 395: 648:
expounding its subject, it is PoV), but the nominators and respondents are quite correct in stating that mentions of alternate views are completely lacking. Lacking a perspective can itself be described as PoV, but for the sake of the distinction, I hope you will agree that there is no other sort of
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question the official account on the Russian apartment bombings" This also applies to any article with 'conspiracy theory' in the title. Articles should present the evidence, not frame it. I am not saying it is easy to find a NPOV title for POV information, but there has to be an alternative that
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So you would delete the neutral article (which discusses all points of view), and keep the POV article (which discusses only a single point of view, and doesn't even mention any of the other POVs)? If you want to have a subarticle, then can you tell me what exactly is the advantage of having an
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by suggesting that content is grounds for deletion. As usual, this is a matter for the talk page. Note that there are only three entries in talk, all by the same person. That AfDs are commonly used in lieu of discussion and improvement is all the more reason to oppose such
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and briefly summarize the corresponding content in main article. I wanted to do just that but I could not, because nominator of this AfD reverted all my changes there. But that is what should be done. Note that we have the following
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as POV fork. The appropriate information will be preserved in the primary article so this should be non-controversial. Editors should be reminded that having an article about something in Knowledge (XXG) doesn't make it "true".
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The article needs considerable work, obviously. It is very good at expounding on its subject without being PoV (where editors in this and the previous AfD contend that
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appears to be a POVFORK of this article, since that article discusses a number of "conspiracy theories" whereas this article merely presents
175: 860:- an article purporting to give "evidence" for a controversial conspiracy theory seems like a darn clear case of blatant violation of 17: 231:, while at the same time conveniently dropping all criticism of the theory and all other points of view. Imagine if someone forked 421:. Why is that not enough? Can you please explain we need this article which (in addition to being a textbook example of 933: 36: 787:). Please tell me why that one is not enough. The POV issues in this article can be fixed by redirecting this page to 474:
inherently POV article titled "Evidence of..." instead of a balanced one? Are you sure you have read and understood
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where all of this material is already present and where it is discussed in a neutral way, under a neutral title.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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talk page alone deserves reading to learn about Biophys straightforward tactics. Common pattern of behaviour.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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It is 'Theories' that is PoV, and insidiously so, with a sentence-as-paragraph at the beginning: "A number of
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Since the material is already present at other articles, and since we already have a valid content fork of
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Articles for deletion/Evidence of FSB involvement in the Russian apartment bombings (2nd nomination)
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Besides, nothing had changed since the previous AfD discussion of this article (one could read it).
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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A lot of existing article are POVish form the point of view of individual editors (including
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covered in other articles, and an intrinsically POV title, inappropriate for a redirect.
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should be removed or briefly summarized. Actually, I would nominate for deletion article
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introduces readers to the subject, without telling them what the facts constitute.
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Theories of Russian apartment bombings#Arrest of independent investigator Trepashkin
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Articles for deletion/Evidence of FSB involvement in the Russian apartment bombings
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Have you read what I said in my nomination? There is already a valid subarticle (
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Theories of Russian apartment bombings#Sealing of all materials by Russian Duma
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is a scientific theory accepted by most scientists. Sorry, you have no case.
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nominating articles for deletion is not the way of resolving content disputes
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is very big. So, it only makes sense to create a number of sub-articles per
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3. This material is already present in other articles. The two articles
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use Knowledge (XXG) as a tool for advocacy and promotion of his own POV
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PoV in it. As usual for AfD, the nomination overreaches the mandate of
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Theories of Russian apartment bombings#Incident in Russian Parliament
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of FSB involvement without taking a POV on "conspiracy theories". --
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Evidence of US government involvement in the September 11 attacks
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Russian_apartment_bombings#Attempts_at_independent_investigation
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cover all this material in a much more neutral and balances way.
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of course). This is a reason for improvement, not for deletion.
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Theories of Russian apartment bombings#Explosives controversies
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Evidence of CIA involvement in the World Trade Center attacks
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Evidence of FSB involvement in the Russian apartment bombings
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Evidence of FSB involvement in the Russian apartment bombings
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the article is available in its entireity in other articles
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or adding fork content to already existing articles like
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Explanation attempts for the Russian apartment bombings
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where it is possible to be covered in an NPOV way. --
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This is a classic 500:Theories of Russian apartment bombings 453:Theories of Russian apartment bombings 449:Theories of Russian apartment bombings 431:Theories of Russian apartment bombings 419:Theories of Russian apartment bombings 342:Theories of Russian apartment bombings 255:Theories of Russian apartment bombings 229:Theories of Russian apartment bombings 386:ru:ВСррористичСский Π°ΠΊΡ‚ Π² ВолгодонскС 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 737:, per Biophys and per previous AfD 219:1. This is a textbook example of a 80: 24: 311:Obstruction of Kovalev commission 447:A lot of duplicated content in 285:Incident in Russian Parliament 1: 915:22:13, 2 September 2009 (UTC) 896:14:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC) 878:09:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC) 845:06:37, 2 September 2009 (UTC) 823:06:33, 2 September 2009 (UTC) 801:06:16, 2 September 2009 (UTC) 775:05:57, 2 September 2009 (UTC) 726:06:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC) 68:01:28, 3 September 2009 (UTC) 704:11:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC) 674:00:42, 29 August 2009 (UTC) 637:19:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 618:16:33, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 598:16:37, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 578:09:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 555:06:42, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 512:17:29, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 492:02:30, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 469:02:24, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 443:01:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 412:01:30, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 354:17:41, 26 August 2009 (UTC) 953: 375:on this subject in ruwiki: 364:Russian apartment bombings 338:Russian apartment bombings 251:Russian apartment bombings 225:Russian apartment bombings 333:...et cetera, et cetera. 929:Please do not modify it. 272:Explosives controversies 237:9/11 conspiracy theories 32:Please do not modify it. 882:And how about deleting 362:. The original article 79:AfDs for this article: 884:Evidence of evolution 588:? Can you elaborate? 242:2. 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