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The article would benefit from work from a suitably expert editor, but that is not, in itself, a reason to bring this to a deletion discussion. If a merge is desired, there are procedures available to pursue that goal. But, before pursuing them, I'd advise the nominator to make themself aware of the
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They are distinct topics, true, so perhaps we should have two separate articles. They have similar numbers of Google hits. My reason for suggesting the latter was that the only real content in the article when this AfD began was
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There is a lot of stuff written by major statisticians that seems like it fits well under this title. MathSciNet has a subject class, 'Foundations of statistics', code 62A, that was in use from 1973 to 1999. This suggests it's a plausible topic for us to have an article on. Since 1999 the code seems
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Which do you consider to be the more serious violation of the norms of society? Voting and strongly commenting while being in great ignorance of a topic or having someone point out (correctly if undiplomatically) that doing so appears to be miltantly ignorant? This is a serious issue, and it comes
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The foundations of statistics is an important topic. I just tried googling for "foundations of statistics" (with the quotes) and got 110,000 results. There are also whole books with that title (see Amazon). The topic has been much debated by statisticians for many decades. I have substantial
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Shalom and Niaz, are you trying to incite someone to point out that you are ignoramuses so that you can complain about "incivility"? We often see this on the AfD page: "'Physics'?? Never heard of it. OBVIOUSLY it doesn't need its own article. Let's merge it into 'physical education'." Etc.
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I agree. We see this all the time on AfD. "I never heard of 'chemistry'. It sounds like some new religious movement. Delete the article or merge 'chemistry' into 'scientology'." Then when you point out the obvious fact that that is militant ignorance you get accused of incivility.
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definitely has potential for a substantial article. I'm seeing too many AfD these day happening immediately after an article has been created. It takes time for such an article such as this to develop. Yes there is much which could be said for example the large debate between
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Okay, I did not know about the under-construction tag. It would take a great deal of work to get the article to a truly good status (because it is intensely debated, from several perspectives). But I will add a bit more, especially references, if it is not deleted.
554:. It needs much expansion, but there is a real gap in our coverage here that we should fill. There are 150,000 Google hits for "philosophy of statistics" OR "foundations of statistics" (with quotes and capitals as shown). If the consensus is to merge and redirect,
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topic from "statistics" and requires a separate article. When I say "obviously", I mean of course to those who know something about it; those who say emphatically above that it is not a separate topic and in no way deserves a separate article are
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471:- This is not about the history of statistics. I will put this bluntly: if you believe that, then you are unfamiliar with the topic, and so should not be remarking on it. See, for example, the abstracts in the current
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hard to vote without knowing if waht is meant is the mathematical foundations in probability and analysis, or the philosophical foundations of using statistics, or the historical foundations in
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and wait to allow the article to develop. Why should a stub be flagged for deletion almost immediately? In addition the editor is obviously qualified, see the plan in the article talk page.
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to be clear that we're talking about the philosophical foundations, not the mathematical foundations (in probability theory, analysis, vector algebra...). Obviously there's overlap with
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