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accordingly. I have looked through the list of hits and, while it provides some verifiability, I am still not convinced the coverage demonstrates enough notability to merit an article. The first hit (ZDnet) is primarily about a film and only incidentally about the software and the rest doesn't seem to add up to much at all on cursory inspection. (Note: I didn't register for the articles that require an ID to read them. I just read the abstracts.) I guess the real question is: How many of these links would actually be useful as references for the article? I think the ZDNet one is the only candidate. --
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I made a mistake on the Google search. When I searched Google News I forgot I had to specifically ask for old articles to be included and drew a complete blank. I didn't mean to misrepresent the results of the search and I apologise if I did that unintentionally. I have amended the nomination
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When I look for notability rather than verifiability, I tend to look for inclusion guidelines rather than references exactly because of that reason. There's discussions what is enough references, but also what is non-trivial or reliable. In this case I wouldn't rely on press releases or the
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Not seeing significant RS coverage in Google. This is not a new article and it does not seem to have any hope of improving. Previous AfD was 3 years ago and did not reach a consensus. I think it is time to look at it again.
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software's website as the only sources. The question is how much the movie covers the info in the article and how independent the movie maker really was. --
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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in that it is borderline and should have a consensus of the community to either
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Unreferenced and without any clear assertion of notability.
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is what constitutes significant coverage to establish
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I guarantee it would reduce the nominations, here at
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
MBisanz
00:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Fog Creek Copilot
Articles for deletion/Fog Creek Copilot
Articles for deletion/Fog Creek Copilot (2nd nomination)
Fog Creek Copilot
edit
talk
history
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views
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View log
DanielRigal
talk
20:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

guidelines
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ShoesssS
21:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
DanielRigal
talk
22:24, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

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