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Knowledge (XXG)'s. I'll list a few media with sources I found with Google searches: cbsnews, huffingtonpost, and LA Times; and from Australia abc.net.au, dailytelegraph.com.au, and theaustralian.com. CBSNews continued to follow this story into 2014 with a news article and a 48 Hours segment called "The Preacher's Passion". The segment initially aired on June 1, 2013 and was updated on Aug. 2, 2014. A quote, "Brian Randone's murder trial lasted four weeks. The trial had become quite the sensation, with local media dubbing it the case of 'the preacher and the porn star.' The newspapers just grabbed onto that..." (www.cbsnews.com/news/the-mysterious-death-of-felicia-tang/)
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Knowledge (XXG) mirrors, but these news media are WP:RS, and you are not. The point is not that your opinion in this regard doesn't matter, but I think you'd need to do more than make unsourced assertions. Regards,
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Randone could have an article and this be redirected there.... Point is she's "notable" for her death and not much else so as it stands this article is in some respects a Memorial and that's it .... so IMHO she's a non notable actress who fails PORNBIO & GNG. –
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Hullaballoo - I apologize for how this is gonna come out ....but ..... if you take away the death sources you have nothing but IMDb crap (which aren't sources!) ... So despite her being an actress and working at all these different places - the article is only sourced on her death and nothing
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