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impression that the nominator did not click on the links of each of the sources in the article before concluding that they failed GNG.  WP:BEFORE analysis has not been provided for the versions of this article on three other Knowledge (XXG)'s.  I'll list a few media with sources I found with Google searches: cbsnews, huffingtonpost, and LA Times; and from Australia abc.net.au, dailytelegraph.com.au, and theaustralian.com.  CBSNews continued to follow this story into 2014 with a news article and a 48 Hours segment called "The Preacher's Passion".  The segment initially aired on June 1, 2013 and was updated on Aug. 2, 2014.  A quote, "Brian Randone's murder trial lasted four weeks. The trial had become quite the sensation, with local media dubbing it the case of 'the preacher and the porn star.'  The newspapers just grabbed onto that..."  (www.cbsnews.com/news/the-mysterious-death-of-felicia-tang/)
263:. The 2009 AFD was a horror show, and resulted in significant disregard of core policies. Very little of the sourcing is genuinely reliable; instead, tabloid-quality coverage of a sensational murder case was picked up and repeated from mirrors of content that was deleted from Knowledge (XXG) uncontroversially in no small part because it was unreliable. Felicia Tang was no more than an uncredited extra in a few mainstream films; at the time of her death, as I recall, she wasn't even mentioned in the full-length IMDB cast lists for those films. She also wasn't a porn performer; instead, she made some T&A videos which were clearly NSFW but apparently no "stronger" than 431:- just to name a few. These publications not only covered this subject's death, but they also went into varying amounts of detail about this subject's life before her death. I've pretty heavily edited the article under consideration here (both recently and earlier this year) in order to try & see if there were any valid concerns about content "from mirrors of content that was deleted from Knowledge (XXG)", and I tried to be careful to weed out anything that looked odd. These same concerns were apparently aired 267:, Showtime After Dark, and "Skinemax". But through the zeal of some Knowledge (XXG) editors who were insistent on memorializing every woman who undresses for a camera, her family now is comforted by an enduring Internet presentation of her as a sex worker and a drug addict. Just about every premise for notability of the subject proves wrong, yet a substantially inaccurate article persists. Not something Knowledge (XXG) can be proud of in any way. 286:
why did you say in that 2009 nomination that she failed WP:PORNBIO if you now say that she "wasn't a porn performer"?  And now you seem to be claiming that CBSNews and the LATimes each got their material from Knowledge (XXG) mirrors, but these news media are WP:RS, and you are not.  The point is not that your opinion in this regard doesn't matter, but I think you'd need to do more than make unsourced assertions.  Regards,
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else (I can't find anything else either on the subject except her death) so IMHO I don't believe she's notable and one could argue Brian Lee Randone could have an article and this be redirected there.... Point is she's "notable" for her death and not much else so as it stands this article is in some respects a Memorial and that's it .... so IMHO she's a non notable actress who fails PORNBIO & GNG. –
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Sourcing establishes that she is a well-known murder victim, albeit such a minor actress/model that I would support moving article to Murder of Felicia Wang. While I agree that the 2nd AFD correctly supported Keep onthe basis of the extensive coverage, I am impressed by the ongoing coverage here:
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The first of the two 2009 AfD's which you started closed with a Delete six days before her death.  You say now that the AfD'd article was "deleted from Knowledge (XXG) uncontroversially in no small part because it was unreliable", and yet I see not a word of "unreliable" in the first 2009 AfD.  Next,
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per Hullaballoo - I apologize for how this is gonna come out ....but ..... if you take away the death sources you have nothing but IMDb crap (which aren't sources!) ... So despite her being an actress and working at all these different places - the article is only sourced on her death and nothing
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to go with her trade name suggests leaving it where it is.  The article has sources from nationally recognized media both in the US and Australia, with 77 inline citations already present in the article.  The dead links found after the AfD nomination and not notated by the nominator give the
521:. plenty of reliable sources and high profile case. Clearly keep article. Also per WP:GNG. Just because she made her career within the porn industry doesnt make her notability less notable than an actress within mainstream film.-- 225:
Only notable as VICTIM whose accused murderer was found not guilty. That's no basis to write an article on and this should only be covered by any article about the accused or the crime. Otherwise fails GNG and PORNBIO
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as well. If the article needs to be changed (content-wise) or renamed now, then so be it, but Knowledge (XXG) can pretty clearly have a reliable article about the subject here at this time.
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as a citation for simple things like their reliable cast listings, especially when (as in this case here) they are backed up by other reliable sources in addition to IMDb.
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went through a lot of these same issues and is very illustrative here. Basically, the subject under consideration here again now has
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fails to meet notability guidelines for pornographic actors. The coverage of her murder is not enough to propel her to notability.
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Clearly that is not the case otherwise we wouldn't have PORNBIO for porn actors and NACTOR for mainstream actors.
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showed very subjective attitude towards articles for pornographic actors. Delete all, then you satisfied!--
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as the name most often used by reliable sources, especially in Australia, but the 2013 decision of
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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and/or passes GNG pretty easily - with plenty of mentions from
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