227:. Although I think (as I recently mentioned on the article's talk page) that box office information should be removed and/or given its own page (Movies with the Highest Box Office Receipts or something like that). I disagree that "considered" and "greatest" are weasel words in the context of a consensus of movie critics or major award-giving organizations. --
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Looks like these issues have been discussed in great length on the talk and AfD pages of the other "XXX considered the greatest/Worst ever" articles. All these lists are heavily edited and patrolled and are gradually becoming fairly good articles.
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