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the type of student who writes it makes it notable. It's still a local student publication no matter which way you slice it. As a matter of fact, I'd go so far as to say that, if you want to call this RS, the statement by the writer "if you can find it" is almost as solid a statement for non-notability as I could get. You also seem to think that it makes sense for a
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Billboard article saying the mag folded (no pun intended). There's no guideline for magazine notability, but it doesn't meet common-sense barometers like popularity (stated niche), circulation (claimed 85,000, where our own
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Magazine TV in Mediapost is not Filter Magazine. Ten articles on the festival that say "created by Filter Magazine" does not make the magazine notable even if it were true; you cannot
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Creative Group - the magazine is a subsidiary of FCG, and the Collide Festival is another. That's made pretty clear in the Adweek blurb. Therefore, coverage of FCG in the context of the festival is not synonymous with the magazine. LA Times, Crave Online, and those articles where the focus
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FILTER is one of the few major music magazines based out of Los Angeles, so their coverage of the local scene is a bit deeper than that of many other media outlets. LAist recently sat down with FILTER Editor-in-Chief Pat McGuire to chat about Morrissey, the rapidly changing magazine market and the
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