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1185:. Consider what Conn is doing: He wants to sell his product. He knows that his command line stuff is never going to be in the news again unless he shoots someone. But there still is a market for that product segment and he wants to reach his customers. It's pretty likely he relies mostly on people discovering him through search engines. So now the problem is how to show up everywhere, even when people are searching for his competitors or for other terms that suggest they're a good prospect. His solution is to write a page on that topic (and every other he can think of that's next on the list) and title it a review or some such. With luck, it pops right to the top in Google. When people get to his page, he sells them his own product. You're looking at an ad page, one of many he's designed, hoping they'll let him show up high on Google for various search terms. This also is not like 1220:
be in the news again unless he shoots someone." and he has written this review for "people searching for his competitors". If this is the case then Knowledge should definitely have an article for a product for which people are searching on Google and want information about it. I clearly understand what you are trying to convey Msnicki, but this thing only adds to the notability of the subject. It is so notable that competitor of the product has to write about it and compare with his product to convert potential
921:, it must have "a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." It doesn't appear to me that findmysoft even bothered to fact-check where their writer went to school. They certainly don't have any reputation we can point to. At best, all you're offering is your assurance that it looks good to you. And that's just not enough to clear the bar as a reliable independent secondary source at AfD. 1364:(emphasis added) Rex Conn and JP Software have the most obvious conflict of interest one might imagine: He wants people to buy his product not this other one (if you were even considering it). He is thus not independent. You can't use this source to establish notability. There are just too many things wrong with it. 1533:, which has a reputation for fact-checking and fair reporting. They make money doing it but not because they have a financial interest in the stories they report. This is so basic, we do agree on one thing: There is no point is arguing this with you. You will never give up, no matter how obviously wrong. 1057:, doesn't get much coverage in mainstream publications, and there are many other examples of programs with a fairly wide user base, but without much coverage in popular media. That lack of coverage is quite understandable, but it shouldn't lead to the deletion of articles about significant programs. -- 1219:
notable enough to compare it with his product (even if his intention is to make his product look superior than his competitor's product). Rex Conn is a professional researcher and developer in this field and we can't ignore this fact. You wrote: "He knows that his command line stuff is never going to
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I think your characterisisation of Conn's blog as being widely acknowledged for its extremist views, relying on rumours, etc. is wrong. I maintain that he is the author of the leading program in the field of replacements for Microsoft's cmd.exe and that gives his opinion in this case extra weight. --
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sources for good reasons that match the guidelines but that, as a matter of pride, he's unable to admit a mistake, strike through his !vote and change it. (Once wrong, stay wrong!) SmackoVector, I can see you're new to WP, but when the evidence says you're wrong, you need to be able to get over it.
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Even if he is the only person running the company, it doesn't make any difference as he is a professional researcher and developer in this field. It can be clearly seen by reading the reviews that they are not quickly generated or user submitted content unlike some cheap download directory review. It
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and not mere publisher's description. Jerome Johnston has graduated from the Computer Science Faculty and he learned a lot about programming and Information Technology. So he is not just an another content writer paid to quickly generate crap content. Its a genuine review and there is no doubt about
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However, less direct interests can be harder to see and more subjective to establish. For example, much scientific research is often funded by companies with an interest in the outcome of the experiments, and such research makes its way into peer-reviewed journals. Journals themselves can also have
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but still that won't make much difference. He only writes about the field of subject in the blog. He is a professional researcher and developer in this field. Weblog material written by professionals writing within their field are acceptable. He has contributed in this field and also in open source
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I was about to make the same point, but you beat me to it. What the heck is the "Computer Science Faculty"? I don't think this individual has any credentials at all. It's impossible to verify the school he says he went to even exists. I suspect by now that SmackoVector has to know this "review"
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Yes. You are right. He clearly has a sales motive and the review is also more negative (obviously no one will write great things about competitor's product). But still it is notable as competitor's review is not a primary source. His reviews and articles are already used as sources on Knowledge (at
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and whether appropriate sources have been cited but whether they exist. If it's a content problem, that can always be fixed and we should (and I do, all the time) !vote to keep. But if suitable sources do not exist, that cannot be fixed. In this case, those sources do not exist. But maybe they
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they can. Like CNET they only review selected software that meets their quality criteria and they just place publisher's description for lesser known software. CNET is a bigger software directory than findmysoft.com . That doesn't make it unreliable. findmysoft.com is certainly a reliable source.
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Oof. I just read that Rex Conn blog item. There's a bit of my life I will never get back. Did you read this thing? If you really can't make it through the whole thing, at least take a look near the bottom where he's a got a chart comparing his own Take Command product to FireCMD, concluding,
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This is not Rex Conn's personal blog as I said earlier. He doesn't write about what he did last weekend. Its JP Software's blog maintained by Rex Conn. JP Software is a different entity even if he is the only person running the company. This is the description about the company: "We
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or if bolding the particular words I relied on just wasn't a big enough clue. I am NOT claiming Conn's blog represents extremist views or that he relies on rumors. I AM claiming it lacks editorial oversight, that it's promotional and that it's personal opinion. That makes it
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The guidelines do not provide that a subject is notable if only Rex Conn (or any other individual you personally happen to think is an authority) writes something on his personal blog. To the contrary, the guidelines label that kind of source
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What does it take to get this across? Conn has a financial interest in publicizing that his product is better than FireCMD. That's the only reason he's writing anything about FireCMD. It's the same reason he's written blog posts trashing
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least I have found couple of articles). If this was the only source supporting the article, I would have definitely changed my vote to "delete" but still there is an another source (findmysoft) which makes me to stick on my decision.
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Well, I found too many "Computer Science Faculty" when I searched on Google. He must have graduated from any one of them. We are not here to discuss biography of Jerome Johnston. There is no reason or evidence to consider this as
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by refugees from the corporate wars who wanted to have a little more control over our results and fun in our lives. Our primary products are command processors, tools that assist the user in working at the command line (the C:\:
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Doubtful: Jerome Johnston's self-written page on findmysoft has the appearance of a person lacking any academic credentials (perhaps a high school student - that's the kindest interpretation that can be made from the material).
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It is one thing to cite a blog item as a source for a claim in an article here on Knowledge. That's allowed. It is something else to claim notability based on a blog item. That's not allowed because notability requires
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sources can never be used. Of course they can, exactly as you found in the Java article. But note that it wasn't used to establish notability of the subject, only to establish that Sun Java 6 Update 11 was probably
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Sources have editorial integrity and are independent of the subject. Subject was quite notable when searched on Google. Editors: Jerome Johnston (findmysoft) and Rex Conn (jpsoft.com). Rex Conn is a developer of
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This article was recreated in substantially the same form with substantially the same motley mix of primary sources, unreliable blogs and on-line catalogs as was offered last time when the outcome at AfD was
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said but it shouldn't lead to the deletion of article. Knowledge also advises to use some common sense while following the guidelines. I think there is no point in debating anymore. Goodbye.
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clearly seems that editors have used the product before writing the review. They have mentioned both the pros and cons about the product. These points clearly suggests editorial oversight.
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What if findmysoft.com does not have an article? 90% of the sources used all over Knowledge don't have a Knowledge page. CNET has included FireCMD in their directory :
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page for that update. Was findmysoft a good enough source for that purpose? Well, who cares. I can't imagine arguing that one, since the point is so minor.
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It seems you're having difficulty parsing the author info. Academic credentials are clearly mentioned as graduation from the Computer Science Faculty. Link:
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Re: sourcing, we make a distinction on Knowledge between deciding whether to have an article and what it should say. Here at AfD, the only question is
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because he found it notable. He found that people are searching for it. This type of software doesn't get much coverage in mainstream publications as
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Its not a personal blog. Its Jp Software Company's blog. Weblog material written by professionals writing within their field are acceptable.
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and useless in establishing notability. If you can't accept the guidelines as rules we will all agree to play by, why are you here?
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write reviews because of financial interest. Even if Conn has a financial interest the fact is he wrote about
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Even if Rex Conn is writing it, it's still a personal blog. The only editorial control is whatever he wants.
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an organization is clearly not independent of any topic that organization has an interest in promoting.
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This isn't reliable and independent reporting. He has a sales motive that has nothing to do with
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is a genuinely respected and notable source and we have an article on them. They're owned by
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You know that he must have graduated from somewhere because he says so on the internet?
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source, as required to establish notability. To the contrary, it is the essence of a
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by any way. But I will assume good faith. Sources are not primary sources and are
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of these products, which, btw, has about zero probability of ever happening.
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Everyone in the world who are in business have some financial interest. Even
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for some of your essential points. Start with one (preferably several) for
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First, that's the German site. They can do what they like. Second,
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Of course I read it. Nothing there worth discussing. Start with
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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will soon. Often with new products, it may just be that it's
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