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329:- OK, I understand what you're talking about now. You have mis-understood her reason for the emphasis. She said right after that: "This aircraft landed in Guadalajara, which is in Mexico, a country with its own rules, regulations, and investigative board. Although the aircraft was US-registered, it was not US-based and the incident didn't occur in the US, so why would they bother reporting it to the NTSB?" That was what "in another country" referred to - that the 233:. This aircraft landed in Guadalajara, which is in Mexico, a country with its own rules, regulations, and investigative board. Although the aircraft was US-registered, it was not US-based and the incident didn't occur in the US, so why would they bother reporting it to the NTSB? Despite this, it's certainly not a notable incident; nobody died or was injured, and the aircraft went back into service. -- 291:-The fact that it happened outside the "English-speaking world" isn't a valid reason to assume it's being nominated for that reason. That is just as biased as the view you are tying to counter! It might make it harder to find information, but as this is a US-registered plane, that should not have been a factor in this case. And I would point out to Charlene that 474:
Mandsford and 70.55.86.129, please be aware that although no airline was mentioned, it was originaly linked to Mexicana's Wiki article, and as per abaove I traced the airframe to Mexicana, so no problems with that aspect - just another bad title. I'll agree with you it never split in half though -
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international laws give countries the right to insist in a foreign investigation under certain circumstances that give them a genuine legitimate interest, and I'm pretty sure the aircraft being registered or built in a specific country is on the list of things giving that country the right to know
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I'm usually the first to say that, but a mechanical problem that doesn't end in loss of life or serious injuries isn't notable per Knowledge (XXG) precedent. There are at least a hundred minor incidents of the same severity every month in the US alone, and possibly a thousand or more a month
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might not have investigated it because it was "in another country", and therefore we might not find information. She was in no way implying that it was not notable because it happened in another country, nor are any of the rest of us. I can see how you might have mis-comprehended. -
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Can you point to even one Internet site, outside of Knowledge (XXG), where this incident is mentioned? An accident doesn't have to be a fatality to be mentioned in databases like airdisaster.com; was it in the news somewhere? Can you find anything reliable with a google search?
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IT NEVER HAPPENED, as Lipstick notes. The first clue might be that there was no airline mentioned, just "Flight 952". If it had really happened, this would be just another badly written article... it isn't every day that airplanes just split in two because of "pessure".
295:- linked by Lipsticked Pig in his nomination above - claimed that 16 people had died (added by the same user at around the same time). It is "facts" like this that led me and others to conclude that this is indeed some kind of hoax, not just a minor, unreported incident. - 397:
flying from Houston to Buenos Aires, which encountered turbulence in Mexico. That doesn't mean the NTSB would have records on every such incident, but I used the database query as a check to see if the Flight 952 incident was likely to have actually happened.
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While I agree with your overall line of reasoniong, I would like to pont out that just becuase this is the English Knowledge (XXG), we are not confined to events that take place in the English-speaking world, and should in fact avoid Anglo-centric bias.
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I'm not saying it's not a hoax altogether, I'm saying that the lack of airline counts for nothing and is not what makes it a hoax, since I succesfuly traced it to the same airline who's article it was originaly linked to.
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Oh yes, I agree with you completely, the article should be deleted. I'm just saying the fact that it happened outside the English-speaking world isn't a valid reason to do so. --
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Apparent fake incident; no mention of accident in Aviation Safety Network or Airdisaster.com databases or any returns for Google searches.
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I think, it being a US-registered plane, the NTSB does tend to take an interest if it is involved in a serious accident... I
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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shows that the aircraft is still registered and was transferred in 2005, then reregistered as N403JS.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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both at the time of the accident and to this day, and therefore also tried searching for
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claims 16 fatalities, but as in the article no source(s) are provided.
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shows a number of photos without any mention of damage. Finally,
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
139:- seems like a hoax to me too. Might ought to be snowballed. - 263:
worldwide. This one is no more notable than any of those. --
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instead of being written off, it's still regularly flying.
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on Google; similar lack of results. What I did find was
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Flight 952
Flight 952
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06:33, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
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19:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
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