617:. The arguments in the previous AfD mostly amounted to the bold assertion that he was notable, in spite of the small number of ghits that refer to him. Even the closing admin indicated that there would be little left were the article to be made policy-compliant (no attempt to do so has been made in the interim. For all I can tell, this Knowledge article may be the only full biography of the man that has ever been written. If the best that can be found is the 5-sentence introduction to his Danish-published rant that basically says he was a disbarred attorney who lived with his brother and then didn't and wrote a lot of rants, that is not the makings of an article. That is not what we are supposed to be doing here, writing new material to build a shrine to someone otherwise obscure. I just don't see the level of significant coverage talked about in
687:- This is a fun article, and it speaks to the value the Knowledge has over most other knowledge compendiums in that we are truly a repository of obscure subjects otherwise left unnoticed by history. That being said, the purpose of Knowledge is not to grant notability to said obscure subjects by maintaining an unsourced article. If you are truly a fan of this man, then commit yourself to establishing valid sources. Deleting this article should not be confused with erasing it; should you develop the required sources, the article will be here waiting for you. That last fact is, of course, our true value as a project. The existence of our deleted page archive is an oft forgotten and undervalued treature trove of randomness...
536:. That a notable judge, before he achieved notability, once prosecuted the man doesn't make Dec notable any more than the opponent in every trial Abraham Lincoln argued automatically merits a page. That one of his rants appeared on the back cover of a notable fringe magazine does not make him notable. That a Danish periodical once published one of his rants does not make him notable. Show me a few significant sources that discuss the man, such that we don't have to cobble together an account of him through original research of primary sources, fanboy websites and obscure small-run periodicals and then we will have something to discuss.
733:. A closer look at the references provided show that this article is crafted upon fan sites and primary source information compiled by those fan sites. In order to establish notability, a Knowledge topic needs significant coverage in secondary reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. I cannot find any sources on which to build an article that complies with Knowledge policies and guidelines regarding verifiability and sourcing. An argument could be made that an absence of those sources makes this OR.
704:– The fundamental question here is "notability" and however quaint or entertaining the subject of this article may be, a careful check on Google shows no significant news coverage but only sideline references to Dec in articles about other people or subjects and the books items apart from reprints of wiki and similar articles proved pretty negative as well. Alumni lists and disbarred lawyers. Note there was apparently another man of the same name who died in the 1920's and there are some hits on him.
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