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292:. Far too soon to reopen an AFD. I think that reopening the whole episodes dispute is a gigantic waste of time. There is certainly enough information available to write short, decent articles -- adding verifiable third-party information like ratings (published weekly going back years and years in USA today, and daily for quite a few years in the NY Times), DVD availability, etc rather than interminable in-universe stuff. The articles on lesser-known professional athletes would be good models. The necessary information is out there -- but it's mostly print-based. 178:
sure. There's no indication that this episode was considered independently notable (and no, an episode guide with the words "New York Times" in the title doesn't mean that this was printed in the Times). Though some episodes of a TV show are memorable, such as "Who Shot J.R.?", the notability of a TV series doesn't mean that notability rubs off on every single episode of the series. This is a holdover from Knowledge (XXG)'s TV guide days. There is a
347:. Nominator claims that "I can't single-handledly redirect this article without being accused of intentionally flying in the face of the previous AfD (seen this, done that)", but this is not true, a "no consensus" AfD has never been a mandate against redirecting or merging. Nominator has made no attempt either to boldly redirect this article or even discuss redirection, despite having 238:"walking outside the supermarket in shabby clothes pushing a shopping trolley", etc. There is some superficial paraphrasing, but it's clear that the text in the season article is not wholly original. Thus, we at least need to keep this article's page history. (And why not? "Frasier's Curse" is at least useful as a search term, no?) 252:
To what level does wikipedia/GFDL need to attribute information? Whole paragraphs or sentences - that is reasonable and common practise. Descriptive run-of-the-mill phrases of a few words - by that measure, wikipedia already and irreparably consists of unattributed non-original information entirely
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Toss the salad and scramble the eggs on this one. Looks like the last discussion ended up in a long argument and observations that people shouldn't utter the "m-word" in an AfD discussion. If anybody cared enough to mention it in the article about Season 6, they would have done so already, I'm
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use several exact phrases from the original article in the season article: "his divorce with Lilith and being left at the altar by Diane"; "not keen to go"; "unemployed, single and living with his father"; "a catastrophic job interview at another radio station on the same day"; "is very cross";
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I don't know what the cut-off point is for attributing information, but I think your text in the season article is close enough that we should play on the safe side. Some of those phrases are fairly long, and most could be worded differently with minimal effort.
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where a group of people put incredible amounts of time to use bold mergers against me, believe me when I say that I know when to risk feeding their bad-faith accusations for my long-term harm, and when I shouldn't (like here). Can editors of this AfD now please
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then, where no opposition (or any input) has been forthcoming for three months now. (But this article doesn't need to be merged, so it may as well be deleted, and AfD is the only forum to get that accomplished.) After the joys of
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already has a non-copied plot summary of equal depth so that nothing needs to be merged per the GFDL. No good reason left to keep this article and/or its page history, so
261:. But I can't single-handledly redirect this article without being accused of intentionally flying in the face of the previous AfD (seen this, done that). – 308: 253:(not to mention that plot summaries have a certain copyright anyway no matter what the wording). "Frasier's Curse" can serve as a search term through e.g. 416:
If you can find someone to confirm that the page history can be deleted without violating the GFDL, then I'd be willing to vote delete, just to end this.
148:, common sense tells me I should not do anything with this abandoned article without seeking input from AfD again. The article is still unencyclopedic ( 407:, or will this seemingly unfixable, nonnotable, unencyclopedic article have to undergo a third AfD to get deleted (or at least redirected)? – 168: 195:
Why aren't comments like this forthcoming in disputes over porn star articles puffed full of awards nominations that aren't really notable?
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
391: 296: 367:. I'm not opposed to merging and redirecting, but I am opposed to abusing the AfD process like this, when 359:("Avoid listing episodes for AfD unless they are completely unverifiable and original research"), and the 344: 95: 327: 356: 186: 352: 421: 276: 243: 157: 385:
Thank God that the official merger discussion (linked from the merge proposal template) is at
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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no compunction against boldly redirecting episodes from the previous four seasons
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Articles for deletion/Frasier's Curse (2nd nomination)
144:Since the last AfD from two months ago ended in a 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 447:). No further edits should be made to this page. 387:Talk:List_of_Frasier_episodes#Merger_of_episodes 181:for anyone interested in writing it up there. 8: 70: 73:Articles for deletion/Frasier's Curse 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 233:As I wrote at the previous AFD, you 69: 24: 405:judge the article on its merrits 369:deletion is entirely unnecessary 1: 361:previous closer's rationale 464: 426:18:41, 13 March 2009 (UTC) 412:09:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC) 381:02:09, 13 March 2009 (UTC) 332:09:30, 12 March 2009 (UTC) 313:22:38, 11 March 2009 (UTC) 281:18:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC) 266:07:48, 11 March 2009 (UTC) 248:05:11, 11 March 2009 (UTC) 225:19:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC) 205:20:20, 14 March 2009 (UTC) 191:19:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC) 169:11:41, 10 March 2009 (UTC) 57:09:14, 15 March 2009 (UTC) 440:Please do not modify it. 343:this blatant attempt at 32:Please do not modify it. 257:!votes as well as just 214:per Mandsfor's points. 152:), still non-notable ( 68:AfDs for this article: 301:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz 255:delete & redirect 197:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz 61: 158:Frasier (season 6) 44:The result was 316: 299:comment added by 455: 442: 315: 293: 221: 220: 135: 129: 111: 53: 34: 463: 462: 458: 457: 456: 454: 453: 452: 451: 445:deletion review 438: 294: 218: 216: 131: 102: 88:Frasier's Curse 86: 83: 66: 63:Frasier's Curse 51: 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 461: 459: 450: 449: 433: 432: 431: 430: 429: 428: 345:forum shopping 334: 317: 287: 286: 285: 284: 283: 228: 209: 208: 207: 142: 141: 82: 81: 80: 75: 67: 65: 60: 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 460: 448: 446: 441: 435: 434: 427: 424: 423: 419: 415: 414: 413: 410: 406: 401: 397: 393: 388: 384: 383: 382: 378: 374: 370: 366: 362: 358: 354: 350: 346: 342: 338: 335: 333: 329: 325: 321: 318: 314: 310: 306: 302: 298: 291: 288: 282: 279: 278: 274: 269: 268: 267: 264: 260: 256: 251: 250: 249: 246: 245: 241: 236: 232: 229: 227: 226: 222: 213: 210: 206: 202: 198: 194: 193: 192: 188: 184: 180: 176: 173: 172: 171: 170: 167: 163: 159: 155: 151: 147: 139: 134: 127: 123: 119: 115: 110: 106: 101: 97: 93: 89: 85: 84: 79: 76: 74: 71: 64: 59: 58: 55: 54: 47: 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 439: 436: 420: 404: 368: 341:speedy close 340: 336: 319: 295:— Preceding 289: 275: 258: 254: 242: 234: 230: 223: 211: 174: 161: 146:no consensus 145: 143: 49: 45: 43: 31: 28: 150:WP:NOT#PLOT 357:WP:EPISODE 324:JamesBurns 353:WP:BEFORE 183:Mandsford 418:Zagalejo 409:sgeureka 309:contribs 297:unsigned 273:Zagalejo 263:sgeureka 259:redirect 240:Zagalejo 166:sgeureka 138:View log 373:DHowell 231:Comment 156:), and 105:protect 100:history 52:MBisanz 320:Delete 219:Yeller 212:Delete 175:Delete 162:Delete 133:delete 109:delete 46:delete 136:) – ( 126:views 118:watch 114:links 16:< 400:this 398:and 396:this 392:this 377:talk 365:here 339:and 337:Keep 328:talk 305:talk 290:Keep 201:talk 187:talk 164:. – 154:WP:N 122:logs 96:talk 92:edit 422:^^^ 277:^^^ 244:^^^ 235:did 394:, 379:) 371:. 330:) 311:) 307:• 217:Ol 203:) 189:) 124:| 120:| 116:| 112:| 107:| 103:| 98:| 94:| 48:. 375:( 326:( 303:( 199:( 185:( 140:) 130:( 128:) 90:(

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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
MBisanz
09:14, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Frasier's Curse
Articles for deletion/Frasier's Curse
Articles for deletion/Frasier's Curse (2nd nomination)
Frasier's Curse
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
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View log
WP:NOT#PLOT
WP:N
Frasier (season 6)
sgeureka
11:41, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Mandsford
talk
19:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Hullaballoo Wolfowitz
talk

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