609:-authors- who should (and do) have articles, but we delete the nonnotable ones all the time, etc. etc. Anyway, the only suggestion of notability that occurs in this article is in reference to the school's size (student population of ~2,100). OK, my local McDonalds gets more than 2,100 customers a day -- does that mean it should have a page, too? Of course not. Anyway, if this school actually becomes notable (and the article makes the case for it), I'll be the first to change my vote. Best,
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Yanksox; being one of the newest schools in Texas, the 2nd one in Frsico and having a Titan as a mascot appear to fall rather short of establishing the importance of this school to anyone outwith the immediate area. When there's a Friscopedia, this will be just the sort of thing they want.
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That is not true. The argument has been made, and you don't agree with it. Alright, that's your choice, but the way the school deletionists treat inclusionist arguments with dismissive contempt is one of the main reasons I am so resolved to stand up to them until we have an article about every
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There is absoultely no claim to notability, it is just a recently established school. Unless something can be placed upon here to prove that the school is important, then keep this. However, there is no stressing of importance. I see no reason to let this article survive.
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has experienced massive population growth in the last few years, this school was built because of that and is already over-capacity to the point where two more are being built. Not the strongest argument, but it's good enough for
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Centennial High School "Home of the fighting Titan"
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Centennial High School is a High School in Frisco", and so it must die. --
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1303:Vegaswikian
1164:Yamaguchi先生
1138:Talk to me!
1132:nn school.
737:. Best, --
504:Wickethewok
336:SchoolWatch
179:Wickethewok
88:wikiproject
71:Tagishsimon
1176:Myles Long
1058:Kofi Annan
1016:Alphachimp
926:Alphachimp
602:User:Motor
488:MrDolomite
377:be wrong.
1274:Konstable
1255:Isotope23
1234:Hipocrite
1208:Hipocrite
1196:Isotope23
1072:a website
940:Coredesat
668:Isotope23
643:school.
631:Isotope23
559:Isotope23
500:something
476:Coredesat
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352:Coredesat
84:WP:SCHOOL
1225:Silensor
1134:Wikibout
845:itsJamie
808:Silensor
776:Silensor
739:Docether
704:Docether
627:Wal-Mart
611:Docether
423:... and
379:Agent 86
142:No vote.
107:Agent 86
91:does not
1272:harm.--
1204:no vote
1150:Jaranda
1006:Comment
988:Comment
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912:Yanksox
889:ALKIVAR
857:Comment
816:Comment
804:Exactly
784:Comment
729:Please
727:Comment
688:Carioca
657:Comment
623:Comment
572:someone
551:Comment
454:Comment
348:Comment
136:Hence,
1294:Delete
1188:BryanG
1146:Delete
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1122:(Talk)
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1084:joturn
1068:Frisco
756:Kungfu
598:Delete
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320:BryanG
265:BryanG
259:expand
103:WP:NOT
80:Delete
74:(talk)
1336:VIVA!
1253:...--
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