1113:- Kohana is one of the latest and best OO PHP frameworks along with Yii. I was looking for a concise summary and history of the framework which is how I came across the Knowledge (XXG) page for it, just to find that people are thinking of deleting it, which is ridiculous when Kohana is a community driven project and would get no benefit per se from a Knowledge (XXG) page. If you delete Kohana you may as well delete every other PHP framework page from Knowledge (XXG). --
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