533:(as the numerous articles on long-deceased or retired academics and scientists demonstrate). That being said, it appears her academic credentials are minimal. The WoS query "AUTHOR: (stone k*) Refined by: ORGANIZATIONS-ENHANCED: (UNIVERSITY OF CAMBRIDGE) Timespan: All years. Indexes: SCI-EXPANDED, SSCI, A&HCI, BKCI-S, BKCI-SSH" shows 7 papers, none of which seem to be from Stone. Sources seem instead to focus on the sensationalism of Stone's transgender. I think the basic question is whether we can have a BLP based essentially on the transgenderism of an individual. I think not, since it is not notable
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requires that our article covers what reliable sources write about, and in this case the sources do focus on these recent issues much more than about Stone's work in general. But that is an editing issue, and if editors find sources to flesh out the rest of her biography, then I'm all for that.
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about the coverage of her life, and specific things in her life. That complaint is about her personal privacy. We now have an article that highlights the very things she was complaining about, because she asked for privacy in those matters. This is exactly what WP:BLP was written for.
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An article about the company could well be created and some text could be reused (but nothing about the stag accident and its coverage, as that has nothing to do with the company). But that's a matter separate from the question of this biography's notability.
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about her PCC complaint. That's what makes her notable, not the tabloid-y stag issue. It doesn't look as though she just wants to be left alone, and she has little reason to want this: as an entrepreneur, media coverage is generally in her interest.
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of a non-notable scientist who happened to have the misfortune of having been involved in a freak accident which ended up in the presses for the wrong reasons. Company is non-notable, TED talk is non-notable. Article also suffers from massive
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