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anything she appeared in was notable. The sources we have are 1-an interview with her, not what we need, 2-Internationa Adult Movie internet database, a non-reliable source, and 3-a bunch of sourcing from promotional stuff pornographic industry websites, that are about the PR creating awards that they give out in the pronographic industry like candy. Nothing at all comes close to meeting even the most basic GNG requirements that we have multiple indepth reliable 3rd party sources, none of the sources are 3rd party, nor are any indepth, and I am struggling to see any of the sources as reliable.
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This page having survived a previous deletion request just shows how we are still suffering from flawed decisions made on content back in 2005. The argument basically was "she appeared in lots of pornographic films, she must be notable." The problem is that no one actually bothered to demonstrate
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