612:- There is no such Knowledge (XXG) policy that I know of that allows deletion in English Knowledge (XXG) space because the subject "indicates possible notability in XX.wiki (say Swedish), but not necessarily in en.wiki. In general if a subject is notable in his/her country, he/she is notable. Period. Take a football player, the best in his country's official professional league, but never mentioned in
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I second that. Of course notability was established by 14 sources provided no less. The notability tag should have not been even introduced. We must check sources, before adding tags that are not necessary. We editors have translation automated machine tools and not knowing a certain language does
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as it pertains specifically to people). I do not see anything there that establishes some limitation by continent or language, and I see a number of things there that disclaim such limitations. If you have some policy to point to, versus your own, thus far unsupported, concepts of "en.notability"
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Again, I have no strong opinions on her. I only respond to your arguments. Try to stick with the issue. But I would have guessed; nobody wants their article deleted. BabbaQ, this may be personal to you, but it isn't to me (neither towards you or Kakan). No matter what you want to believe, it is a
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Sure, I don't doubt that what is said in the article is supported by the sources. But that is not the same thing as she being notable. Based on what you say on WP:Notability, you seem to have it backwards; notability in sv.wiki does not necessarily mean notability in en.wiki.
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According to your way of viewing notability, then yes. But my arguments as well as Dwpaul are based on guidelines for notability and not a personal opinion. About a person that you by your own words "have never heard of or seen before"...Still you have a strong opinion.
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No, do not worry I dont think you nominated this article in bad faith. I think you are nominating this article based on a flawed view of the guidelines. Or your lack of using the guidelines correctly when placing this article up for deletion.
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several television shows and radio show. Which she has hosted. At the talk page you claim to have never heard of her, still you have a strong opinion about her not being notable. It is a contradiction. --
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lack of notability. Also, it's you who have the burden of proof: you have to demonstrate notability. It's not I who have to demonstrate the lack thereof.
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