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of significant coverage in secondary sources....The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources should be cited to establish notability. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject is not sufficient to establish notability....Acceptable sources under this criterion include all types of reliable sources except works carrying merely trivial coverage, such as:sources that simply report meeting times, shopping hours or event schedules, the publications of telephone numbers, addresses, and directions in business directories, inclusion in lists of similar organizations, the season schedule or final score from sporting events, routine communiqués announcing such matters as the hiring or departure of personnel, brief announcements of mergers or sales of part of the business, simple statements that a product line is being sold, changed, or discontinued, routine notices of facility openings or closings (e.g., closure for a holiday or the end of the regular season), routine notices of the opening or closing of local branches, franchises, or shops, routine restaurant reviews, quotations from an organization's personnel as story sources, or passing mention, such as identifying a quoted person as working for an organization." I don't believe that any of the sources I cited suffer from any of those triviality problems. Would you mind explaining to me why you think that the sources I cited are not
624:. Kalypso media is an obviously major video game publisher with many notable games having articles on WP. Which is why it is puzzling that it is so hard to find independent reliable sources for the company itself. The German WP article has a number of sources, but they don't look reliable to me. Perhaps it is a privately held company; such companies tend to generate less press coverage. Unfortunately without multiple in depth independent RS, this topic fails
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