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Australia's Blue and DNA magazines...in GAB in Germany...on the cover of QX in London...articles in Brazil...etc. He certainly deserves this small mention of a page. If Knowledge (XXG) is indeed a reputable source in itself....this controversial page will stay up.
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Sad how the only people on here trying to delete this page are bitchy uptight gay men. We all know that the only people they support are women...almost without exception. Interesting that there are absolutely no straight people protesting this. Btw, this page is already available in a couple
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band before then surely more substantive media coverage must exist somewhere because how else could I possibly ever have heard of them in the first place -- but I came up completely dry no matter where I turned, and nothing here constitutes enough notability to grant him an
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You are deleting references in hope of deleting a page you are obviously very jealous of. Someday gay men will realize that they need to support each other instead of tear each other down at every turn.
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that would constitute a genuine claim of notability. If he'd toured the entire country as Lady Gaga's opening act, then that might count for something, but merely being on the same bill as her at
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