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I did check the citations, and as I say, all are about the team. This nomination is about removing a BLP which I don't think is at all notable - and has probably only been included because of pro or anti
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Check the citations. Every single source talks about Gray. If you think the team is more notable than the person then go ahead and make an article about the team. Frankly, this deletion seems more about the campaign against articles on
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