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is absolutely right; the guidelines explicitly say that "films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles", no matter how high-profile. This film has not commenced principal photography; ergo, it should not have its own
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film articles pertaining to future films must meet the future film requirements of the film notability guidelines." (Boldfacing in both cases as in the original article.) I don't see how it can get much clearer than that. If you want to argue that this particular film is a special case for some
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I'm not going on "blind faith", I'm going off of the sources that this article provides. According to the sources, the movie IS being made. According to you, it **might** not be. That's practically the definition of crystalballing.
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According to the scotlandonsunday story as linked by T-rex above, "The director and producers of the movie, which is due to start filming in the spring, arrive in Scotland tomorrow to examine potential locations."
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Having sources is not enough - neither of those states that filming has begun. Projects get cancelled at the last minute all of the time; hence the reason for
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have their own articles....The assumption should also not be made that because a film is likely to be a high-profile release it will be immune to setbacks."
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And given the way the film industry works, I would argue the opposite - that blind faith that this will be made is crystalballing.
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for now - redirecting rather than deleting will make it easier to revive the article once sources satisfying WP:NFF are found. -
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explicitly says that "Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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per NFF, and the way it is written is almost trying to justify keeping it with caveats.
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applies regardless of any other notability criteria of the film in question. --
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Actually, I agree with the redirection; that's certainly not forbidden by
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reason, you can try to do so, but the guidelines seem very explicit that
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Rwiggum, I would advise you to read, very carefully, the full text of
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guideline. I don't see a reason to make an exception for this one.
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I'm aware of NFF, but do not feel that it applies in this case --
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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The article has plenty of sources, plus is starring three
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article until it does. The film is mentioned under
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
King Lear
 Sandstein 
19:53, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
King Lear (2009 film)
King Lear (2009 film)
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
future film notability guidelines
Girolamo Savonarola
talk
22:04, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
list of Film-related deletion discussions
Cliff smith

04:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
telegraph.co.uk
scotlandonsunday
T
rex

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