544:, I doubt if there is significant copyvio from those two books, although it's possible. It's more likely that the bulk of the content comes from interviews with residents by the WP article's creator and other original research, e.g. unpublished city documents, private scrapbooks, etc. If old newspapers were used, there is no indication of it. The main problem is separating out the
527:. Assuming that our notability requirements are met, the present article would still have to be cut back to practically a single sentence until such time as someone can access offline sources. Meanwhile, the references section states "This information was taken from the books...", the phrasing of which suggests a possible copyright violation.
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Thus it looks like the article was first and the webpage copied it. The website gives its sources as "This information and photos were taken from the books Klemme Iowa 1889-1989 © 1989, Heritage of
Hancock County, Iowa Volume One © 1993". If you think this is copied verbatim from these sources,
332:- Notability is pretty much satisfied by the book noted in the article. The article is sixteen different kinds of awful, but that is not a reason to delete. It will, however need a motivated editor with access to local sources to fix it up. To that end, I'll leave a note at the Iowa project.
494:- I am coming to consider myself a deletionist, but I have the personal view that almost anything that is well-documented from more than a century ago is notable and should be recorded in Knowledge (XXG). Something that lasted for nearly a century doesn't need to be as important as the
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This is probably a copyvio, but has not been deleted because the creator of the article is also the author of the original text. No real notability is shown here and I do not believe it meets schooloutcomes criteria. at the very least this needs major rewriting.
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271:- I think with some effort, this could be reworked into a viable encyclopedic article, or at least redirected into a subsection of another. For example, the article makes reference to combining with the Belmond school district, in nearby
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