309:, This is the second article relating to new hydrogen technology which has been recommended for deletion. There is obviously an unknown but disturbing agenda at work here. This is user intimidation. There is no excuse for what is being done to me. I have worked long and tireless hours working on this article, finding sources for the information, discussing both sides of the issue to ensure article neutrality, citing all sources used, ensuring that the sources are credible reliable and verifiable. I have studied this subject extensively to ensure accuracy. IF this page is deleted, I contend that it has been done so based not on sound wikipedia policy, but on personal disagreement with the article's ideas and facts. This represents what may only be described as user intimidation and bullying. I have also studied the rules and guidelines for Articles for Deletion (AfD) and this article does not meet the criteria for deletion. I will not be silenced by intimidation tactics by both users and administrators of this website. I have not committed any infractions or violations of the wikipedia policy, and my article does not deserve to be discredited and deleted as though the article which was written is my own personal view. The article is not original research but a compliation of information gathered from multiple credible and verified cited sources.
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although that is no guarantee that the technology is viable. I do however find it hard to believe that a "hoax" company would remain viable for so many years without one if its investors asking pointed questions. E.G. UTEK (a UK based company) claims 10% in
Hydrogen Technology Applications, Inc. and is currently listed in NASDAQ and the NYSE. One would imagine that any company, whose goal is to make money, making such an investment would expect a return or at least evidence that a return was probable. Innocent until proven guilty. If you can't disprove the claim then the logical response would be wait to see if they can prove it.
618:: This is the last comment I am going to make regarding this Subject! At some point when this technology is more readily available and becomes common knowledge, The article will be rewritten anyway so If its deleted, so be it... Therefore I am not going to waste my time with people who believe that EVERYTHING about this gas is a HOAX. I am however going to state for the record that this is in fact a real product. You can argue that this gas may NOT be a Revolutionary New form of Energy, but NOT That this is a Real Product. You can call up Donald Wann
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deletion was on the basis that it is a HOAX. I submit that if that is the case, I have been fooled by one of the most
Elaborate and Expensive Hoaxes in history!! For anyone who is interested in more information, please view the following video from Google Video. It is 15 minutes long, and there are interviews with credible people about their use of HHO Gas.
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Technology Center in Kentucky (a state employer) and ask them if they are using HHO Gas, They will tell you Yes. I called them and confirmed this. Fact is that HHO Gas is being used in commercial applications. The overwhelming reason that this article was submitted for
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I say KEEP KEEP KEEP!!!!!!!!!!!! I cannot believe that here at WIKIPEDIA there are those who cannot follow simple research protocols such as following simple LINKS! I believe that the videos, and testimony speak for themselves! If you REALLY think this is a hoax, why don't YOU call the company, get
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Santilli's International Journal of Hydrogen Energy Paper, and the Company website science page. So I think that
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Hydrogen Technology Applications, Inc. has had research funding from several investors since 2000. Financial reports can be found through a simple google search. There apparently are several patents filed with the USPA for an engine claimed to generate this gas,
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gets only about 900 google hits.) And would the authors be satisfied with a rewrite that made it sufficiently clear that this was notable only for being a fraud or delusion? I doubt it. I still vote for deletion.
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