843:- The debate over this article's deletion is silly. It's presence on this page is only because the author of the article kept the underconstruction sign up pass the seven day limit, yet did do serious changes to the page. The person who put this up was only doing what policy stated. The individual is obviously notable because he has enough 2nd and 3rd party sources that cover his story. From the Jerusalem post, Seatle times, Israeli News, and etc.
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Howshua Amariel is a "Black Hebrew" and a Messianic Jew, and hence not accepted as either a rabbi or even a Jew by the vast majority of Jews." This may be true but
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the two ap articles are different. you must have only read the beginning. the last paragraph of the one in the la times isn't in the one from the seattle times, and the last 18 paragraphs in the seattle times article aren't in the la times article. but regardless, i think i could pick just one of the
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Amariel is with. I saw videos on from Israeli news that disprove all that. I think it should be consider that the issue is simi-controversial and may effect some judgements on this discussion; that may be seen from this discussion or more surrounding
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yes, you've quoted that sentence a few times now. what you haven't done is show where the line is for substantial and not substantial and why the
Frenkel and Shepard sources are below that line. the notability guideline you're quoting from sure doesn't give a firm line. it says a 200-page biography
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Jerusalem Post and a couple of mentions about his actions during the 2001 Republican National Convention. (One problem is that there is so many of the references are pretty much junk it's hard to separate any wheat
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More than one Aaron Cohen? What a shock. But I should have remembered it. How can a self-published article be important for this discussion? Anyone can write an article and have it posted there. It's basically an advertising site -- "Submitting articles has become one of the most popular means of
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Your first source is someone's self-published article. Your second source is just an entry in the
Library of Congress copyright catalog -- a copyright claim, it certainly doesn't prove notability. Then there is the 419 word article I already mentioned, and 2 references to the same article by Paul
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Israeli scholars to back it up. His notability is seen in not simply one area but the various areas in which he deals with or in other words...
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from the chaff). There is certainly no evidence of notability for his self-published translation. Being lengthy, detailed or interesting are not relevant to whether it should be kept. I think it fails
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