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637:. None of these topics have been covered in detail by multiple sources independant of the series so none of them warrant standalone articles. The few articles listed here are just the tip of the iceberg in the Dragonriders walled garden and I hope we can eventually find a consensus to redirect a lot more of them. A separate article for locations of Pern would be an acceptable merge target as well. What is not acceptable is leaving the articles on the locations alone unless they have attracted significant analysis. 612:
rather than anyone even thinking about splitting it out. The number of location articles has gone down from somewhere in the thousands to barely a few hundred in the last eight years, so it can't be said that they're appropriate content splits like 0x0077BE mentioned. They need to establish independent notability, and two in-universe, primary guidebooks aren't enough to do that.
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in each article. This is common sense. These articles are clearly in need of a rework, though, which I expect will result in fewer articles and some content removed. This work should be done carefully since the book articles are currently written based on the availablity of the extra information. I
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combines with the notability guidance, but I've always felt that if breaking out a subsection into a separate article makes sense from the parent-article perspective, then it isn't necessary to justify the child article in its own right, but only as a sub-section of a more-widely covered subject.
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Just because a series is older doesn't mean unnecessary content should get a free pass. The only reason these currently exist is because they were created when fiction was less regulated. If all of this content was currently in the main article, it would be culled down as cruft or moved to Wikia
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as appropriate. It is clear that articles about 24 books set in a fictional world need more specific background information than if the setting is familiar to the reader or already available in other articles, and that this should not be repeated
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better suited to Wikia. There is no current assertion for future improvement of the article, so extended coverage is unnecessary. I am also nominating the following related pages with the same issues:
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And, as for sources, we have the "Atlas of Pern" and "Dragonriders of Pern" books, which definitely cover material. I suspect that we could find sources for
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is sufficiently important as the major groups of locations for a very important series of novels by a major writer. I'm not sure about the individual ones.
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from "Dragonwriter", "Dragonholder", "Anne McCaffrey: A Life with Dragons". There were plenty of reviews of the novels in magazines such as Locus - see
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suggest that editors contributing to this work (who will include me) create and maintain a progress rsport section in
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that covers more than just holds. For what it's worth, there's at least two published books covering this topic,
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without the latter becoming unwieldy. This sort of thing is done frequently with no problems.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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into that article isn't feasible at the moment. I must admit that I'm rusting about how
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seems to be on the cruft side of the line, but I'll also hold my !vote on that.
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for example has articles on each of the books, but also the article
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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list of United States of America-related deletion discussions
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Talk:Dragonriders of Pern#Multiple article deletion request
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has articles on the series, the individual books and also
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the others. I think that there is a good case following
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article has a lot of issues, but I feel that merging
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Talk:Anne McCaffrey#Multiple article deletion request
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